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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Quote Originally Posted by waas View Post
    Republicans will probably take the blame, but it's both parties at fault.
    I really doubt they will take the blame, although the media and President Obama will certainly insist the blame is theirs. Why do liberals think its OK to borrow more than 40 cents for every dollar spent. It's ludicrous. Cut the damn spending!

    This tax hike for my family means we pay at least $3,000 in additional taxes next year. That's pretty tough to accept for a middle class family.

    Families making between $49,999 and $70,000 will be hit the hardest. Their tax rate will go up from 15% to 28%.

    Didn't Obama state he wouldn't raise taxes on the middle class? So let's see, which number lie would this be?
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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    I really doubt they will take the blame, although the media and President Obama will certainly insist the blame is theirs. Why do liberals think its OK to borrow more than 40 cents for every dollar spent. It's ludicrous. Cut the damn spending!

    This tax hike for my family means we pay at least $3,000 in additional taxes next year. That's pretty tough to accept for a middle class family.

    Families making between $49,999 and $70,000 will be hit the hardest. Their tax rate will go up from 15% to 28%.

    Didn't Obama state he wouldn't raise taxes on the middle class? So let's see, which number lie would this be?
    I'm not going to be that affected by the tax hike. But undoubtedly this will be the 5th year a row without a cost of living increase, or much of one. With what food, gas and other essentials have risen during that time period, it is not "hurting" yet, but I am definitely starting to feel a little pinch.

    But I do know others that will be greatly affected by it, including a few that will probably join the ranks of the unemployed because of it.
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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Nah...they don't lack the skill. They lack the media and the tendency to lie repeatedly.

    Hysterical laughter ensues - They lack the media???? Seriously? - yet we are constantly reminded that Fox News has the highest viewer numbers of the 24 hr news channels

    lack ... tendency to lie repeatedly??? HELP! I can't stop laughing



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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    I am glad we are going over the cliff. I have grown tired of doing all I can for my family while paying my fair share of taxes only to see people on unemployment for two years now which is ridiculous. My taxes will go up but at least the government won't be able to continue these silly programs that reward people for bad behavior.

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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Hysterical laughter ensues - They lack the media???? Seriously? - yet we are constantly reminded that Fox News has the highest viewer numbers of the 24 hr news channels

    lack ... tendency to lie repeatedly??? HELP! I can't stop laughing



    from Newt and his multiple sex 'offenses' to Paul Ryan's "2:50 marathon time" to our most recent incident of a hypocritical Republican, Crapo of Idaho, and the attempted justifications thereof, the modern Republican Party congress critters have shown an extreme tendency to lie like 5 year olds caught crapping in the sandbox
    Fox has higher numbers than any other network...for sure...but they are not higher than the rest of the mainstream media in total. Yes, the Republicans lack the media.

    You mention individual lies...I'm talking about Party lies that are repeated by every Party talking head and pundit and repeated by every liberal mainstream media outlet.

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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I am glad we are going over the cliff. I have grown tired of doing all I can for my family while paying my fair share of taxes only to see people on unemployment for two years now which is ridiculous. My taxes will go up but at least the government won't be able to continue these silly programs that reward people for bad behavior.
    I have to agree with you. I didn't support the bailouts for pretty much the same reasons. We are falsely holding up parts of society, not providing them with what they truly need and the government is not working because real working solutions will not be popular. Let it come, hell, let the whole damned system crash to the ground, then when people face real hardship, then maybe they will start making and voting for working solutions.

    My only caveat is that we should take proper care of our veterans, especially those who were disabled while serving.
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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I have to agree with you. I didn't support the bailouts for pretty much the same reasons. We are falsely holding up parts of society, not providing them with what they truly need and the government is not working because real working solutions will not be popular. Let it come, hell, let the whole damned system crash to the ground, then when people face real hardship, then maybe they will start making and voting for working solutions.

    My only caveat is that we should take proper care of our veterans, especially those who were disabled while serving.
    I totally agree about taking care of the veterans. I can't wait to see these people that have time to hang out in coffee shops and pretty much do what they please have to go back to work if it means cleaning houses or washing cars. Never in my lifetime have I known of as many people sponging off the government. I hope the farm subsidies take a hit as well.

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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

    In my ideal world we would not be here. I think had we stuck to the tenth amendment we could have decided more things at the state level so if one state screws itself over with debt it doesn't sink the country.

    In the current situation the fact that we got here is 100 years of government overextending its bounds, an inevitable feature of democracy, but focusing on things from a purely political Machiavellian sort of way there can be no question Republicans will take the brunt of the blame.

    Obama won reelection running on a soak the rich platform. While I disagree with that platform he won 51-47 over Romney. Democrats picked up seats in the Senate. Yes Republicans still have the House but only because of gerrymandering, Democrats actually won a million more votes nationwide. In a parliamentary system they would have the a majority across the board.

    Obama is simply fulfilling the promise the US voted for. Republicans may not like it but they are stonewalling him on this. It is them who are holding it all hostage for a trinky little tax cut on the rich. So they will get the blame, all other ideological and economic questions aside.

    The Republicans don't realize their glasses are filled with poison kool-aid and committing political suicide. As a hardened cynic I must say that it will be laughable to see Republicans try to blame Obama even when Obama has cleverly set up the narrative that Republicans held middle class tax cuts hostage to those of millionaires and the polls are bearing this out.

    We are just out from an election and 2014 is a long time in politics though so I can't say it will have an effect of the election results two long years down the road. But in the short term it will desecrate the Republican brand. Republicans should just suck up to the fact that they lost on the tax issues.
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    Re: Who's going to take the blame for the fiscal clif

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