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    Re: Nobel Peace Prize is a Joke

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I agree that Iraq was unjust and Afghanistan has taken that turn as well. However, I am at risk and so are my Marines when idiots such as this reveal classified material.
    Was Manning justified in revealing how the soldiers took glee in bombing people and actively were hoping for someone to grab a gun so they could attack him? July 12, 2007 Baghdad Airstrike.

    If you're putting someone in danger for that end alone, that's wrong. If, however, you are exposing corruption and immorality, then you have more justification. Should we cover up horrific evil to save a few lives of those involved in an aggressive war?

    Before I go further, are you aware of why I used The Battle of the Bulge as the example? Please wikipedia it before we go further so that I know we are on the same page. I'm not being sarcastic. I am enjoying this debate and would like to carry it on further.
    Fair enough, but the difference is that exposing secrets in this case doesn't expose corruption or any evil. In the case of Wikileaks, Americans finally got access to the truth of how these wars were being conducted.

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    Re: Nobel Peace Prize is a Joke

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Was Manning justified in revealing how the soldiers took glee in bombing people and actively were hoping for someone to grab a gun so they could attack him? July 12, 2007 Baghdad Airstrike.
    Look man, its hard to explain. For some of us, like Apache pilots, our sole purpose is to kill people. It's not a matter of taking glee in killing people as much as it is glee in a job well done and protecting the people you are supposed to be protecting (fellow servicemembers). We train and train and train for the purpose of effectively killing someone. When we do so, we know all of the hard work paid off and we express excitement in the fact that we have accomplished our goal. Yes, it's a human life/lives. Its also the enemy. Its also not the time to reflect on the value of human life and go into some long monologue about our regret in killing them. It isn't a movie. Its real life. Its the equivalent of a football player hitting someone hard enough to put them out of the game. Its not the fact that he put them out of the game that pleases him, its the fact that he did his job so well.
    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    If you're putting someone in danger for that end alone, that's wrong. If, however, you are exposing corruption and immorality, then you have more justification. Should we cover up horrific evil to save a few lives of those involved in an aggressive war?
    Yeah, we should bro. Why should more people be killed? Don't associate all of us with the few like the guy in Afghanistan that mowed down all of those women and kids and definitely don't associate all of us with the people that sent us there. Some of us go over with a genuine heart for helping the people we are encountering.
    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Fair enough, but the difference is that exposing secrets in this case doesn't expose corruption or any evil. In the case of Wikileaks, Americans finally got access to the truth of how these wars were being conducted.
    Again, I don't have an issue with the public knowing it. I have an issue with WHO made it known and how he did it. I'm totally against both wars and yet I have fought in both. I am all for our gov't being exposed for the globe trotting, hate mongering we engaged in. But I don't appreciate one of my own putting me in possibly more danger for his own moral dilemma.
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    Re: Nobel Peace Prize is a Joke

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    i don't understand why gandhi should have won a nobel peace prize...

    It is a joke now anyway for more than just who won and who didn't.
    You really can't think of any reason someone who helped settle the battle between muslims and hindus in India via non-violent measures could possibly deserve a prize for peace? Seriously?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    While Ghandi was in South Africa, that was, before he went back to India in 1915, he offered himself to be a part of the english military along with several other indians. they were reticently accepted into the military as those guys that carry the wounded so that the doctor can treat them. I forget their correct definition so I'll go along with stretcher-bearer.

    Why did he do this? Well, he wanted to know his enemy. He despised the British very, very much and wanted to see them gone from South Africa, where he spent a great deal of his life, and India. But what he saw during that time he was in the military, during the zulu-british war was nothing short of eye-opening. Seeing the superiority of the british army in comparison to the zulu made him realize that having an armed revolt against the british was stupid. Very, very stupid.

    The 2nd WW was a blessing for Ghandhi because as I said, he actively supported an anti-british campaign in India and wanted indians to NOT be part of the war effort.

    If you want the full scoop, you're going to have to read some books. Not all info is on the internet, as some may have you believe. Some costs money.
    So he wanted India to not be part of WWII, and that's a reason why he shouldn't have a peace prize? I don't see any facts supporting his support of violence anywhere. Assuming he really didn't like the british. So what? A LOT of people don't.

    Let's be honest here, the british used to treat their colonies like ****. You guys haven't always been the nice tea drinking gents you are today.
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    Re: Nobel Peace Prize is a Joke

    If you are so against these wars then why haven't you deserted the military yet? Nothing the government is doing is helping them, just get out. They don't want Americans there.

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    Re: Nobel Peace Prize is a Joke

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    You really can't think of any reason someone who helped settle the battle between muslims and hindus in India via non-violent measures could possibly deserve a prize for peace? Seriously?

    That part, the religious bringing together of people, yes, that is quite true. Though his youth he had spent it predominantly among muslim, especially ,very rich muslims in South Africa.

    So he wanted India to not be part of WWII, and that's a reason why he shouldn't have a peace prize? I don't see any facts supporting his support of violence anywhere. Assuming he really didn't like the british. So what? A LOT of people don't.

    Let's be honest here, the british used to treat their colonies like ****. You guys haven't always been the nice tea drinking gents you are today.
    No, he did not want India to be part of WW2 on the side of the British.
    Besides, India is a special case because there was a lot of power given the indian officials and figureheads. In a way, the british ruled there by proxy, not directly, as they did in other colonies. And even there, in certain places, they would again, rule by proxy.

    However, you said something interesting that I had not thought of, that is, that the fact that he did not want India involved in any war should demand a peace prize. I had only seen this notion of his through ghandhi's very anti-british eyes. I don't think he deserves a nobel peace prize because of that. Maybe because of the efforts he made to make muslims and hindu's coexist. But in regards to his fight for indian independence and anti-colonialism and anti-british hatred, no.

    Then again, a lot of the people who are Nobel Peace prize laureats don't deserve those awards either.

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