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    Re: Nobel Peace Prize is a Joke

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Absolutely. What's his crime? Revealing the truth about US aggression and how poorly the war really was going?
    No, his crime is publishing classified data. Period. I don't care what he, you, or anyone else thinks about the data he revealed. The fact of the matter is he betrayed many people that trusted him by publishing data he had received a security clearance to view. He also made it much harder for those of us left in his wake to conduct business because the already strict classified material rules and regulations got a lot more strict after his little stunt.
    Some of the stuff he revealed was bad. I will agree with that. Some of it was not, IMO. We can debate that another time. But the fact that he released it to begin with is a crime, he should be punished, and I have no sympathy for him.
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    Re: Nobel Peace Prize is a Joke

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    No, his crime is publishing classified data. Period. I don't care what he, you, or anyone else thinks about the data he revealed. The fact of the matter is he betrayed many people that trusted him by publishing data he had received a security clearance to view. He also made it much harder for those of us left in his wake to conduct business because the already strict classified material rules and regulations got a lot more strict after his little stunt.
    Some of the stuff he revealed was bad. I will agree with that. Some of it was not, IMO. We can debate that another time. But the fact that he released it to begin with is a crime, he should be punished, and I have no sympathy for him.

    sounds like you have described a garden variety whistleblower
    the folks who are protected by federal law for their actions - IF they are civilian
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    Re: Nobel Peace Prize is a Joke

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Is the Nobel Peace Prize a Joke?
    Yes, yes it is. Just another hand-job for the popular kids/flavor of the week. It means absolutely nothing.
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    Re: Nobel Peace Prize is a Joke

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    sounds like you have described a garden variety whistleblower
    the folks who are protected by federal law for their actions - IF they are civilian
    Exactly. IF they are civilian.
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    Re: Nobel Peace Prize is a Joke

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Exactly. IF they are civilian.
    So military misdeeds should never be known?

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    Re: Nobel Peace Prize is a Joke

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    So military misdeeds should never be known?
    Sure they should. Your asking of that question shows you haven't read what I have posted. But a servicemember who violates the UCMJ should not be glorified. What if some of the things he revealed were used to attack other servicemembers on the battlefield? What if he gave info to the Chinese or N Korean gov't? Just because you, him, or anyone else thinks what he revealed is relevant to showing senior leaders misdeeds, doesn't mean it is okay to do. By that precedent a servicemember in the future could say he thinks one of the aforementioned governments should win a conflict between our countries and give them info to ensure that happens.
    If a member of the press discovers stuff like this, I have no issue with it. When someone who is trusted with classified info violates the terms of his security clearance to do so, I have a big issue with it. It sets a precedent that no information is privileged. I think we can all agree that some info should be privileged.
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    Re: Nobel Peace Prize is a Joke

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Sure they should. Your asking of that question shows you haven't read what I have posted. But a servicemember who violates the UCMJ should not be glorified. What if some of the things he revealed were used to attack other servicemembers on the battlefield? What if he gave info to the Chinese or N Korean gov't? Just because you, him, or anyone else thinks what he revealed is relevant to showing senior leaders misdeeds, doesn't mean it is okay to do. By that precedent a servicemember in the future could say he thinks one of the aforementioned governments should win a conflict between our countries and give them info to ensure that happens.
    If a member of the press discovers stuff like this, I have no issue with it. When someone who is trusted with classified info violates the terms of his security clearance to do so, I have a big issue with it. It sets a precedent that no information is privileged. I think we can all agree that some info should be privileged.
    Information about the state of the war, corruption, and the like, should NEVER be privileged, no matter who has access to the information.

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    Re: Nobel Peace Prize is a Joke

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Information about the state of the war, corruption, and the like, should NEVER be privileged, no matter who has access to the information.
    So if we are close to being defeated in lets say The Battle of the Bulge but the enemy doesn't know it, you are okay with a twerp PFC publishing that? Look, information isn't delineated as corrupt, not corrupt, etc. I'm all for the military being held accountable for its actions. I'm not saying we shouldn't be. But what I am against is it's members publishing classified info that may or may not endanger guys like me who are fighting during that time. That's my beef. If an outside agency, even if its government affiliated, finds this stuff I'm good with that. It will controlled properly to protect us on the front lines. This idiot just dumped stuff to the public for whomever wanted to see it.
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    Re: Nobel Peace Prize is a Joke

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    So if we are close to being defeated in lets say The Battle of the Bulge but the enemy doesn't know it, you are okay with a twerp PFC publishing that? Look, information isn't delineated as corrupt, not corrupt, etc. I'm all for the military being held accountable for its actions. I'm not saying we shouldn't be. But what I am against is it's members publishing classified info that may or may not endanger guys like me who are fighting during that time. That's my beef. If an outside agency, even if its government affiliated, finds this stuff I'm good with that. It will controlled properly to protect us on the front lines. This idiot just dumped stuff to the public for whomever wanted to see it.
    Who was at risk? The hundred thousand dead Iraqis? The nearly 15,000 dead Afghanis? It was an unjust war, and someone needed to tell the truth.

    And yes, if we were close to being defeated, why shouldn't the public know?

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    Re: Nobel Peace Prize is a Joke

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Who was at risk? The hundred thousand dead Iraqis? The nearly 15,000 dead Afghanis? It was an unjust war, and someone needed to tell the truth.
    I agree that Iraq was unjust and Afghanistan has taken that turn as well. However, I am at risk and so are my Marines when idiots such as this reveal classified material.
    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    And yes, if we were close to being defeated, why shouldn't the public know?
    Before I go further, are you aware of why I used The Battle of the Bulge as the example? Please wikipedia it before we go further so that I know we are on the same page. I'm not being sarcastic. I am enjoying this debate and would like to carry it on further.
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