View Poll Results: WHy Are the Dems now Pushing Severe Gun Restrictions

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  • Because of the School Massacre

    28 42.42%
  • Because Obama didn't want to lose the last election

    15 22.73%
  • Because the dems want to stick it to pro gun groups

    19 28.79%
  • Because the dems want to distract from the financial mess

    19 28.79%
  • Because they actually think it will decrease crime

    29 43.94%
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    14 21.21%
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    Re: Why are the Dems NOW pushing for severe restrictions upon lawful gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Again good post. This is whaty I don't understand. Someone where anti or neutral proposes something that will or may or whatever save peoples lives and because it threatens the gunnies "belief system" they ignore it out of hand and bury their heads in the sand.

    What good will that do? Just more of the same. Really dumb/

    what is really dumb is your assumption that gun laws proposed by liberal extremists will save any lives

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    Re: Why are the Dems NOW pushing for severe restrictions upon lawful gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't think I have seen a poster whose posts are consistently as dishonest as yours on this issue.
    Are you claiming you have never said there are only cosmetic differences in these guns?
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    Re: Why are the Dems NOW pushing for severe restrictions upon lawful gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Are you claiming you have never said there are only cosmetic differences in these guns?
    tell us why you support cosmetic limitations Catawba

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    Re: Why are the Dems NOW pushing for severe restrictions upon lawful gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    tell us why you support cosmetic limitations Catawba
    I have never claimed the differences in assault weapons and high capacity mags were only cosmetic, that was you, the person that is now claiming the ban on them is somehow a hardship to you.
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    Re: Why are the Dems NOW pushing for severe restrictions upon lawful gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    The difference between "never letting a crisis go to waste," ie the age old accusation that people take advantage of difficult times or situations to push for something unrelated but under the guise of addressing the problem, and people honestly trying to address a problem is more often than not just the difference in one's opinion on whatever solution is being proposed.

    If you don't like the idea of gun control, than its just the left, libs, and dems using this tragedy to push laws that have alternative motives.

    If you do like the idea of gun control, than this tragedy is finally the wake up call the government and people needed to finally take some real action against a serious problem.

    Personally I'll pass on the hyperbole and rhetoric and stick to the facts of the matter Turtle.
    I think you meant "ulterior" rather than "alternative" but otherwise very well-put.
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    Re: Why are the Dems NOW pushing for severe restrictions upon lawful gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Is it the massacre or is it political expediency or just plain pandering
    Why are the purposed restrictions "severe"?

    Everything I've heard re: better background checks and closing loopholes sounds common sense to me.

    What's the point of making it illegal for a felon to have a gun if he goes to gun show or flea market?

    What's the point of banning dishonorable discharges and domestic abusers from owning guns if the states and military don't always report them to the FBI office that manages the NICS database?

    I would think law-abiding and common sense gun owners would like to make sure the mentally ill can't purchase 3000 rounds on the internet in weeks leading up to a violent rampage.

    Cars have pink slips, why can't assault weapons? When you sell it privately, you notify the relevant state office or FBI of the transfer of ownership. What's the big deal?

    This all seems to be about convenience and not wanting to fill out an extra form. A small price for common sense safety.

    Also, I can't help but think that some people may be concerned because they know that under the Bradly law restrictions they were never supposed to get a firearm. Some dealer made a mistake or their names were not added to the NICS list. This is something I would think law-abiding common sense gun owners would want to out, the law breakers in their own ranks.

    He might be your hunting buddy, but if he has something on his record that means he shouldn't own any guns, perhaps you should call the local police and let them handle it. -- Are there anonymous tip lines for this sort of thing? If not, we should be setting them up.

    If your ex-husband or boyfriend was charged with domestic abuse and you know he owns a gun, call the police, start a paper trail. If they do nothing at least there will be a record that they should have.

    Lastly, what's this I hear about some annual ATF statistics being withheld from the public because of an amendment or rider to an old bill? The NRA got some congressman to push that through. Shouldn't we be allowed to petition for those under freedom of information?

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    Re: Why are the Dems NOW pushing for severe restrictions upon lawful gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    The facts are the facts.

    How do criminals get their guns? How many people become criminals, who had never committed a crime in the past, because they have a gun? How do our laws address the answers to these two questions? These questions have factual answers that can be determined through analysis. We can both agree that we want to keep firearms out of the hands of criminals, and we want to allow law abiding citizens to have those same firearms. We need thoughtful analysis to determine solutions and courses of action, not hyperbole and rhetoric.

    If someone simply says there's nothing we can do, any law will only harm the security of individual citizens that's simply rhetoric. Likewise, if someone says we need to ban all assault rifles, or rifles of similar type as the kind used during the recent school shooting that doesn't really address the real problem of gun crime as most gun crimes or crimes committed with guns are done with pistols. That's also probably just rhetoric.

    frontline: hot guns: "How Criminals Get Guns" | PBS

    This PBS report using data from the ATF for example shows that the majority of pistols used by criminals or on the illegal market are actually sold by perfectly legitimate gun dealers, who sell their product illegally. That seems like a good starting point because if we shut down or deal with those rogue licensed gun dealers, than we can hamper the amount of guns sold through illegal sales to individuals who couldn't acquire one legally. It wouldn't affect the every day citizen who, if his local gun store is shut down for being one of these rogue dealers, he can simply go to another gun store that plays by the rules and acquire the same weapons.

    This is what I mean by facts, looking at the statistics and the information available and figuring out ways to solve the problem or mitigate it at least.
    If this is what "gun control" was actually doing, I'd be on board.
    Instead though, they're arbitrarily going to restrict the types of firearms people can buy.

    It's ludicrous.
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    Re: Why are the Dems NOW pushing for severe restrictions upon lawful gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If this is what "gun control" was actually doing, I'd be on board.
    Instead though, they're arbitrarily going to restrict the types of firearms people can buy.

    It's ludicrous.
    Then start making this argument as responsible gun control, as a way to go forward with an alternate solution than just banning or restricting firearms based on just what kind of firearm or what features it has.

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    Re: Why are the Dems NOW pushing for severe restrictions upon lawful gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Then start making this argument as responsible gun control, as a way to go forward with an alternate solution than just banning or restricting firearms based on just what kind of firearm or what features it has.
    we already have plenty of gun control laws

    sensible laws mean punishing misuse of guns

    not punishing people who don't misuse guns

    clue to everyone

    its already illegal to possess a gun for the purpose of using it to murder people

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    Re: Why are the Dems NOW pushing for severe restrictions upon lawful gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post

    its already illegal to possess a gun for the purpose of using it to murder people


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