View Poll Results: WHy Are the Dems now Pushing Severe Gun Restrictions

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  • Because of the School Massacre

    28 42.42%
  • Because Obama didn't want to lose the last election

    15 22.73%
  • Because the dems want to stick it to pro gun groups

    19 28.79%
  • Because the dems want to distract from the financial mess

    19 28.79%
  • Because they actually think it will decrease crime

    29 43.94%
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    14 21.21%
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Thread: Why are the Dems NOW pushing for severe restrictions upon lawful gun owners

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    Re: Why are the Dems NOW pushing for severe restrictions upon lawful gun owners

    My thinking is this: the Sandy Hook shooting really did affect people, including politicians. Some politicians are complete sociopaths (on both the left and the right), but most have at least some conscience. I suspect the gun-control advocates go through periods (like everyone) when they don't feel as energized about their position. If we go through long periods without a lot of massive, well-reported gun violence, it's not only their basis that erodes, it's their will to fight their cause. After all, if no one went into a mall, a school, a Wendy's, etc. and shot a bunch of innocent people up, there'd be no reason to control guns.

    Undoubtedly, a few gun-control-advocates (I don't want to call them liberals, because I would generally be called liberal, but I'm against all but the most basic and reasonable kinds of gun control--no guns for people currently incarcerated, no private ownership of nuclear weapons, that sort of thing--people who are for gun-control do not understand history very well, IMO) are attempting to enforce a kind of fascist deprivation of the ability of individuals and the citizenry as a whole to maintain and defend general liberty. But most probably sincerely believe that gun control will prevent the sort of abomination we saw last week.

    They're wrong, of course. But I don't suspect most gun-control advocates have a disingenuous motive.

    I'd be happy with an assault weapons ban if there were some kind of assurance that, in the event people generally wanted to revolt, they could get their hands easily and readily on assault weapons and armor-piercing rounds. I can imagine a few potentially good suggestions about how that might work. But none of them are ever likely to be implemented.

    In the meantime, what we really need to focus on is proper treatment for people who are mentally ill, and even more importantly, prevention of mental illness. The violence we experience as a society is due to the way we are, not the fact that guns are readily available. Gun control would be like putting a paranoid schizophrenic in a gag and a straightjacket, and proclaiming him cured because he can't do anything that seems crazy any longer...

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    Re: Why are the Dems NOW pushing for severe restrictions upon lawful gun owners

    It's due to pandering. After an incident like this, the most vocal are the ones who foolishly think that guns, instead of people, kill people. Welcome to the red herring of the control crowd.

    These are the same people who will show you pictures of people dying from lung cancer and convince you that Big Tobacco is to blame, instead of free will and choice.

    Gotta love liberals. It's never their fault. They're always good at finding someone or something else to blame.

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    Re: Why are the Dems NOW pushing for severe restrictions upon lawful gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Is it the massacre or is it political expediency or just plain pandering
    There are no severe restrictions proposed. They are only talking about banning the guns and magazines that gun fanatics have maintained for years only had cosmetic differences. So there is zero hardship.
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    Re: Why are the Dems NOW pushing for severe restrictions upon lawful gun owners

    I voted for everything because different people have different reasons for pushing for gun control. The Sandy Hook shooting kind of touched off a perfect storm. Obama's in his 2nd term now and doesn't have to be as careful with what kinds of laws he signs. There's a big ugly argument going on over the fiscal cliff and I'm sure both sides would love a distraction. The shooting itself made a good excuse for some people who simply want more gun control to push that platform, and there are plenty of people who sincerely (though wrongly IMO) believe that gun control measures will actually help prevent this sort of violence.
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    Re: Why are the Dems NOW pushing for severe restrictions upon lawful gun owners

    The whole gun issue defines the difference between libs and cons. Libs want you to rely on government, if your home is being invaded call the cops and hope they get there in time as you hide under your bed . Cons want to rely on themselves, if your home is being invaded grab your gun, take care of the problem yourself.

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    Re: Why are the Dems NOW pushing for severe restrictions upon lawful gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are unaware that Obama bin Lyin claims that the clinton gun ban has to be reinstated?
    That's not too radical, and merely something that has already been done before. Sounded like you were speaking about something shocking.

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    Re: Why are the Dems NOW pushing for severe restrictions upon lawful gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    The difference between "never letting a crisis go to waste," ie the age old accusation that people take advantage of difficult times or situations to push for something unrelated but under the guise of addressing the problem, and people honestly trying to address a problem is more often than not just the difference in one's opinion on whatever solution is being proposed.

    If you don't like the idea of gun control, than its just the left, libs, and dems using this tragedy to push laws that have alternative motives.

    If you do like the idea of gun control, than this tragedy is finally the wake up call the government and people needed to finally take some real action against a serious problem.

    Personally I'll pass on the hyperbole and rhetoric and stick to the facts of the matter Turtle.
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    Re: Why are the Dems NOW pushing for severe restrictions upon lawful gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    The facts are the facts.

    How do criminals get their guns? How many people become criminals, who had never committed a crime in the past, because they have a gun? How do our laws address the answers to these two questions? These questions have factual answers that can be determined through analysis. We can both agree that we want to keep firearms out of the hands of criminals, and we want to allow law abiding citizens to have those same firearms. We need thoughtful analysis to determine solutions and courses of action, not hyperbole and rhetoric.

    If someone simply says there's nothing we can do, any law will only harm the security of individual citizens that's simply rhetoric. Likewise, if someone says we need to ban all assault rifles, or rifles of similar type as the kind used during the recent school shooting that doesn't really address the real problem of gun crime as most gun crimes or crimes committed with guns are done with pistols. That's also probably just rhetoric.

    frontline: hot guns: "How Criminals Get Guns" | PBS

    This PBS report using data from the ATF for example shows that the majority of pistols used by criminals or on the illegal market are actually sold by perfectly legitimate gun dealers, who sell their product illegally. That seems like a good starting point because if we shut down or deal with those rogue licensed gun dealers, than we can hamper the amount of guns sold through illegal sales to individuals who couldn't acquire one legally. It wouldn't affect the every day citizen who, if his local gun store is shut down for being one of these rogue dealers, he can simply go to another gun store that plays by the rules and acquire the same weapons.

    This is what I mean by facts, looking at the statistics and the information available and figuring out ways to solve the problem or mitigate it at least.
    Again good post. This is whaty I don't understand. Someone where anti or neutral proposes something that will or may or whatever save peoples lives and because it threatens the gunnies "belief system" they ignore it out of hand and bury their heads in the sand.

    What good will that do? Just more of the same. Really dumb/
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    Re: Why are the Dems NOW pushing for severe restrictions upon lawful gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I didn't say you should be denied the right, there you got with the hyperbole again. I also didn't say we needed more laws, again hyperbole and rhetoric. I said these rogue dealers seemed like a good starting point, perhaps the way to go is to analysis and examine how the laws are enforced, if they truly have plenty, and see if there's other way to enforce them better, maybe its a simple matter of resources. Perhaps they should be investigating the guy who bought 15 guns in a single day, its worth looking into.

    Stop letting your emotions get the better of you.
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    Re: Why are the Dems NOW pushing for severe restrictions upon lawful gun owners

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    There are no severe restrictions proposed. They are only talking about banning the guns and magazines that gun fanatics have maintained for years only had cosmetic differences. So there is zero hardship.
    I don't think I have seen a poster whose posts are consistently as dishonest as yours on this issue.

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