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Do You Think That Violent Video Games/ Movies Are An Issue

Do You Think That Violent Video Games/ Movies Are An Issue

  • No

    Votes: 64 72.7%
  • Yes

    Votes: 18 20.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 6 6.8%

  • Total voters
    88
Canadian kids play video games and watch violent movies just like american kids.

But mass shootings in Canada are very rare. Is it because of the water, or is it because of gun control? You can legally buy a gun in canada but only after criminal and mental health checks are complete. You can't buy one from a "gun" show cash and carry. You can't buy semi auto or automatic weapons nor large capacity magazines.

With 300 million guns in the US (at least) and all kinds of assault weapons and large capacity mags, I think the number of mass shootings is facilitated by access to the type of guns that enable such horrific events. Its simply a numbers game a tiny tiny number of nutbars in an environment overflowing with guns. Surely it makes sense to at least control the types of guns available and the type of individual that can obtain them and still uphold the second amendment.
 
Do you believe that there is some definitive unbreachable and unchanging wall between people who are either sane/mentally healthy/socially adjusted or not any of those things?

Yes, if you are sane you have no trouble differentiating between fantasy and reality while if you have trouble differentiating between fantasy and reality you are insane.
 
Canadian kids play video games and watch violent movies just like american kids.

But mass shootings in Canada are very rare. Is it because of the water, or is it because of gun control? You can legally buy a gun in canada but only after criminal and mental health checks are complete. You can't buy one from a "gun" show cash and carry. You can't buy semi auto or automatic weapons nor large capacity magazines.

With 300 million guns in the US (at least) and all kinds of assault weapons and large capacity mags, I think the number of mass shootings is facilitated by access to the type of guns that enable such horrific events. Its simply a numbers game a tiny tiny number of nutbars in an environment overflowing with guns. Surely it makes sense to at least control the types of guns available and the type of individual that can obtain them and still uphold the second amendment.


Candian gun laws are different (privilege vs. right) but hardly as strict as you have described them:

Global Edmonton | Gun laws not necessarily solution to gun violence: Canadian lawyer

Canada: Gun Laws To Be Eased
 
Yes, if you are sane you have no trouble differentiating between fantasy and reality while if you have trouble differentiating between fantasy and reality you are insane.

I am sorry but I must disagree with that. For many people, YES, what you describe is true. For many others, people struggle with control and can drift back and forth between lucidity and fantasy depending on stress, triggers, environment, events and all sorts of other factors.

To pretend that all people are either well and sane or mentally ill and insane is far too of a black and white all or nothing approach that defies human experience and what we know about human psychology.
 
Canadian kids play video games and watch violent movies just like american kids.

But mass shootings in Canada are very rare. Is it because of the water, or is it because of gun control? You can legally buy a gun in canada but only after criminal and mental health checks are complete. You can't buy one from a "gun" show cash and carry. You can't buy semi auto or automatic weapons nor large capacity magazines.

With 300 million guns in the US (at least) and all kinds of assault weapons and large capacity mags, I think the number of mass shootings is facilitated by access to the type of guns that enable such horrific events. Its simply a numbers game a tiny tiny number of nutbars in an environment overflowing with guns. Surely it makes sense to at least control the types of guns available and the type of individual that can obtain them and still uphold the second amendment.

Guns are being discussed in another thread. But by your post, I have the impression that you believe that they are the only issue.

Is it an either or issue, guns vs media? Or are there a myriad of other factors issues also involved?

Several threads have been started to address the recent tragedy/ies. Mental Health, guns and violent media have all come to the forward. But I have to question whether these are the only issues involved or are people looking for a simplistic answer to address a very complicated issue? I don't believe there is a central single issue or a simplistic answer. I think we need to fully comprehend all factors and issues, not just one or two, before a working, workable, comprehensive corrective action can be taken.
 
Canadian kids play video games and watch violent movies just like american kids.

But mass shootings in Canada are very rare. Is it because of the water, or is it because of gun control? You can legally buy a gun in canada but only after criminal and mental health checks are complete. You can't buy one from a "gun" show cash and carry. You can't buy semi auto or automatic weapons nor large capacity magazines.

With 300 million guns in the US (at least) and all kinds of assault weapons and large capacity mags, I think the number of mass shootings is facilitated by access to the type of guns that enable such horrific events. Its simply a numbers game a tiny tiny number of nutbars in an environment overflowing with guns. Surely it makes sense to at least control the types of guns available and the type of individual that can obtain them and still uphold the second amendment.
I'm willing to bet they don't have the rampant poverty and "thug life" inner city culture we have either. There are a lot of factors to consider. Correlation does not imply causality.
 
I don't think any MENTALLY NORMAL person will, simply by playing Call of Duty or Left 4 Dead or other violent video game, decide on that basis to go out and kill a bunch of innocent people at random.


A mentally ABNORMAL person may become fixated on ANYTHING, and not have the ability to distinguish between reality and fantasy, right and wrong... in which case the video game is not the causal agent, the mental illness is the cause.

No, no. That is not the root cause. It's the parents of the mentaly ill person is the cause. Oh, no no ...
 
Candian gun laws are different (privilege vs. right) but hardly as strict as you have described them:

Global Edmonton | Gun laws not necessarily solution to gun violence: Canadian lawyer

Canada: Gun Laws To Be Eased

Like I have said before the run registry is a tool to protect police. The OPP (Ontario Police), La Sûreté du Québec (Quebec Police), the RCMP, and various city police unions all fought against the repeal of the gun registry. It is meant for the safety of the officer. We are not a culture that will allow the carry of handguns, our society was built on hunting so rifles and shotguns are acceptable while other weapons are not.
 
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I believe they certainly are an issue along with violent everything else...you can PROGRAM and teach any young human to be the way you want them...they certainly do have an effect as far as im concerned and the proof is the level of violence today over even my generation that didnt grow up with all this crap..
 
I'm willing to bet they don't have the rampant poverty and "thug life" inner city culture we have either. There are a lot of factors to consider. Correlation does not imply causality.

We deal with thugs in a different way, get the mafia to deal with the problem for us.
 
I am sorry but I must disagree with that. For many people, YES, what you describe is true. For many others, people struggle with control and can drift back and forth between lucidity and fantasy depending on stress, triggers, environment, events and all sorts of other factors.

To pretend that all people are either well and sane or mentally ill and insane is far too of a black and white all or nothing approach that defies human experience and what we know about human psychology.

No, like I said if you cannot differentiate between reality and fantasy you are mentally unstable and should be getting help.
 
Ooh, mob on thug violence! That does sound nice!

Well the mafia is much more civilized so we chose the mafia, there may or may not have been a window of time where the mafia was allowed to shoot up a bar where gang bangers hung out or a drive by shooting and there would be no police in the area. It's how we got rid of the Hells Angels.
 
I'm willing to bet they don't have the rampant poverty and "thug life" inner city culture we have either. There are a lot of factors to consider. Correlation does not imply causality.

You are correct on that. However, American kids murder without being part of the inner city or poverty or thug life or anything but an ideal situation.

Plymouth man convicted in Detroit-area beheading gets life in prison | MLive.com

I live two blocks from where this kid lived and grew up. Two blocks. The house if a $400K house and the kid had every advantage. So what did thug life or poverty have to do with him? What take Opie from Maybury and turn him into Charles Manson?

I know radio that you do not have the answer but I think we all need to think about these things.

There is an old saying ..... "from the mouths of babes". In one of my classes years ago we were talking about the effects of violent films and games on kids and I asked if they effected or influenced people. I will never forget what one teen said.......... "only if you are weak minded or something is already wrong with you".

I think there is wisdom there.
 
You are correct on that. However, American kids murder without being part of the inner city or poverty or thug life or anything but an ideal situation.

Plymouth man convicted in Detroit-area beheading gets life in prison | MLive.com

I live two blocks from where this kid lived and grew up. Two blocks. The house if a $400K house and the kid had every advantage. So what did thug life or poverty have to do with him? What take Opie from Maybury and turn him into Charles Manson?

I know radio that you do not have the answer but I think we all need to think about these things.

There is an old saying ..... "from the mouths of babes". In one of my classes years ago we were talking about the effects of violent films and games on kids and I asked if they effected or influenced people. I will never forget what one teen said.......... "only if you are weak minded or something is already wrong with you".

I think there is wisdom there.
I never said it's the only factor. These things happen everywhere. Even here in europe. When you actually look at the statistics and take away the violent crimes from the inner city poverty and gangs, we're pretty on par with the rest of the world. Rural America (in most cases) is actually pretty safe.
 
Well the mafia is much more civilized so we chose the mafia, there may or may not have been a window of time where the mafia was allowed to shoot up a bar where gang bangers hung out or a drive by shooting and there would be no police in the area. It's how we got rid of the Hells Angels.

I'm curious as to how you guys made a choice. Did you vote on it as a Canadian referendum? ;)
 
I'm curious as to how you guys made a choice. Did you vote on it as a Canadian referendum? ;)

It's just Canadian politics. A quote from the mayor of London, Ontario: "We shall crush you!" when referring to gang bangers.
 
Here's the thing, if something as benign as a video game can cause people like Lanza to snap, then anything could. If we make an effort to remove the stimuli that cause INSANE people to act INSANE then a whole purge of our entire culture would have to take place. Let's be honest: at a certain point maniacs do what they do because they are maniacs, not because of anything that doesn't affect normal people.
 
Here is something to consider. Contrast the viewpoint of those that INSIST on attacking those suggesting that the "gun culture" and spread help cause these types of massacres, stating that "guns don't kill people, PEOPLE kill people" but are quick to attack Video Games and Violent Media as as blame for people taking such action. So a person using a gun to kill someone means the person killed people, not the guns. But a person played GTA and kills people, OMG GTA IS RUINING OUR YOUTHS MINDS! (lets not bother with the question of why the parents are letting their child who can't handle the reality of the situation play GTA. That'd be too difficult plus that parent may be pro-2nd amendment, and we can't criticize our own side!)
If you are addressing that to me, you might look a little further back and see that I have not suggested violent video games cause people to kill. I agree that anyone that looks to shirk personal responsibility is missing the boat.
 
For those constantly exposed to violence, it becomes the norm.

So you are changing you stance from guns cause it to video games and movies cause it? Or are you say now that both do?

Why are people constantly exposed to violence? For that matter, are people constantly exposed to violence? Is it you stance that all violence is bad/evil?
 
I never said it's the only factor. These things happen everywhere. Even here in europe. When you actually look at the statistics and take away the violent crimes from the inner city poverty and gangs, we're pretty on par with the rest of the world. Rural America (in most cases) is actually pretty safe.

Problem beng that the crimes of the cities are part of the nation.
 
Problem beng that the crimes of the cities are part of the nation.

Of course they are. However, perhaps we should be focusing on curtailing poverty and killing the thug culture, both of which lead to gang violence and murders. We need to clean up our country, and removing guns simply isn't the way to do it. (I know that's not what you're suggesting.)
 
Of course they are. However, perhaps we should be focusing on curtailing poverty and killing the thug culture, both of which lead to gang violence and murders. We need to clean up our country, and removing guns simply isn't the way to do it. (I know that's not what you're suggesting.)

lots a luck with that one.
 
Here's the thing, if something as benign as a video game can cause people like Lanza to snap, then anything could. If we make an effort to remove the stimuli that cause INSANE people to act INSANE then a whole purge of our entire culture would have to take place. Let's be honest: at a certain point maniacs do what they do because they are maniacs, not because of anything that doesn't affect normal people.

This is exactly the point that these complainers either ignore for some agenda or are too stupid to understand. There were insane people prior to video games and there will insane people if we ban them.
 
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