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Thread: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    I think how we handle mental health is extremely broken. Many people just see their PCP or nurse practitioner and get put on medications like Xanax, Zoloft, Vyvanse and other medications pretty much because they patient complains of a mental symptom with no real diagnosis. I think these drugs are far too over-prescribed for these issues and first line treatment should always be therapy (which is something it seems most people don't even attempt to do). I think we are also living within a society that wants to explain away every evil behavior or state of mind by labeling it as a "disease" instead of recognizing character flaws and the evil nature of humans.
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    Here, amazingly, I am in the majority and its so easy to advocate mental health....even the tea bagging conservatives seem to go along...
    Where we disagree is the level of mental insanity...A gun owner must be 100% sane, not 60% times 75% as it is today.
    And, for protection, its better to be trained in non-lethal self defense rather than the old reliable in a side arm,,

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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    From what I've read, the treatment of mental illness is a big problem in America. Somewhere I read there are more mentally ill people in prisons in America than in hospitals/rehab centers. A mother who has a 13 year old son with mental problems was told by social workers she should wait until he commits a crime, because there is hardly a chance to get help before he does that. Most health insurances don't cover serious mental illnesses and uninsured people don't get help at all, unless they pay it themselves (which often isn't possible in case of serious incapacitating mental illnesses).

    If that's true, I'd say yes, a debate is necessary.

    This situation makes me especially sad because I suffered from a psychosis several years ago and need meds ever since then (but I was never violent). If I wasn't living in a country with compulsory semi-public health insurance, but in America, I'd likely be a drooling bum living on the streets talking to myself today -- or in a prison.

    It's sad that this is still possible in a developed country. IMO, the quality of a society can be measured by the way it treats those people who really need help.
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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    As I understand it, some mental issues (including some that can lead to a person acting like this guy did) are nearly or completely undetectable (at least with today’s tech/knowledge).
    Further, many mental issues stem from the life situations, styles, and problems people encounter just because they are alive.
    Eating a diet that has a bit to much or too little of X can cause deficiencies or overabundances of some aspect of a person’s body, including those portions which more easily affect the mental state.
    It’s such a complex network of interwoven factors that I seriously doubt medical experts are even close to fully understanding it. Or even can.

    Basically what I’m saying is that even best mental care we come up with won’t stop this kind of thing from happening.

    Somewhere, somewhen, someone is going to kill a bunch of kids in a school again. It WILL happen. And I’m not sure we can do much beyond keep working on mental health issues, slight increases in school security, and better parental awareness and care for their children.

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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think we are also living within a society that wants to explain away every evil behavior or state of mind by labeling it as a "disease" instead of recognizing character flaws and the evil nature of humans.
    "evil" as is a religious "devil" sort of evil?

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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    "evil" as is a religious "devil" sort of evil?
    I'd go with a more generalized definition. I think digsbe meant that.
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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    The shooter was mentally ill and therefore these actions should be prevented through better psychology programs.

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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordenkalt444 View Post
    The shooter was mentally ill and therefore these actions should be prevented through better psychology programs.
    That statement makes multiple assumptions, two of which are:

    That better psychology programs would help.
    That all mentally ill persons who might do "these actions" could be singled out.
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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordenkalt444 View Post
    The shooter was mentally ill and therefore these actions could be prevented through better psychology programs.
    I think I fixed that statement a bit.

    Better mental health programs would not guarantee stuff like the Newtown shooting would never happen again.

    But if it stopped one.....and that's surely a distinct possibility.

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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    That statement makes multiple assumptions, two of which are:

    That better psychology programs would help.
    That all mentally ill persons who might do "these actions" could be singled out.
    It shouldn't be the case, the people who need help should receive it. They shouldn't be singled out, that would turn into society's fault (which is maybe why the shooting happened).

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