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Thread: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Fail on the kid part but not the mental challenges part. No idea nor do I care who that guy is. Not even gonna look it up to debate you with either.
    Saying you have worked with DD kids or Aspergers kids and not knowing who Dr. tony attwood is is like saying your a physics teacher or math teacher and not knowing who Albert Einstein was. Clue.

    BTW the books name was My name is Joshua written in the 80's by an Aspie teen. Great book
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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Ok mental health. Thats better at least its a start.
    If you look - that is the thread title.

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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I wouldn't say that mental health is "the real" issue.
    Why isn't it "the real issue"?

    Do mentally healthy individuals do the kinds of things we saw in Columbine, Virginia Tech, or Newtown?

    How many people simply commit suicide rather than make a choice to "take as many people with them as possible"?

    Have you any clue how many people around you are on some kind of medication for anxiety, depression, or some other non-physical issue?

    I'll tell you with great confidence the number would probably be astonishing.

    So many people have issues, yet most are extremely uncomfortable talking about it.

    That's part of the problem. It's a hush-hush topic. Not to be publicly discussed.

    It's more like having to seek help is something to be kept a secret and/or be ashamed about.

    That's what I think should be changed. I don't think anyone should feel ashamed for seeking or asking for help.

    We' don't hide the fact that we went to a family doctor when we have a respiratory infection or a fever, but if we suffer from anxiety or depression we hide that like it's
    an STD we got from a transvestite crack-whore.

    The social stigma of seeking help and guidance needs to change.

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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    Let's suppose we somehow managed to climb in people's minds and erased that social stigma (it'll never happen but we can pretend), that's still not going to do the trick. How many employers in their own right mind are going to willingly take on the potential problems?

    And people would still do everything in their power to hide their illness. No one likes to be different in that way, social stigma or not. They know, and are correct, that the illness will limit their options in so many ways.

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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    If you look - that is the thread title.
    Yes I know but too many people are saying mental illness rather than MH. They also SEEM to be including all catagories of MI/DD/Ai and others under that ridiculous umbrella. MI =/ DD.

    That is my point if you had bothered to read my first post.
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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    Yes I know but too many people are saying mental illness rather than MH. They also SEEM to be including all catagories of MI/DD/Ai and others under that ridiculous umbrella. MI =/ DD.

    That is my point if you had bothered to read my first post.
    You make very valid points.

    However - I'd say that I don't think anyone is purposefully lumping all things into one category to simply be insulting or prejudicial.

    I think it comes back to the basic concept of an overall lack of information and a knowledge about something of this nature.
    Since most of these things are kept quiet it's just innocent ignorance based on not having a broad enough vocabulary or understanding of the topic.

    The word "illness" suggests some thing that can be "cured". I get that.
    Whereas some genetic and physical traits are things that can't be "cured" and therefore should not be called an illness.

    We would not say that somebody born without an arm or without a leg has an illness. A kid who is autistic is not "sick".

    That's precisely why I think this stuff needs to be talked about. An educational process that benefits everyone.

    Did the Lanza kid have something he was born with? A condition that was not an "illness"? Or was there a combination of things going on there?
    Did he have a true illness where medications and treatments were required to "cure" something?

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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    When will America recognize the 800 pound gorilla in the room? When will the focus of concern and attention be directed at the true issue here?

    Why is mental health still such a hush-hush topic? Something to be kept secret? Something to be be ashamed of or buried?

    How can something that effects so many still be thought of as unspeakable and embarrassing?

    Depression, anxiety, fear, anger, loneliness, hatred, and an overwhelming sense of hopelessness.

    These things need far more attention than our country currently give them.

    What will it take for people to open up about such things?

    How can we improve our understanding and knowledge about these conditions and not treat them as weaknesses or things to be ashamed of, but as things that can be overcome and helped through?

    If mental health had the same social stigma as cancer, would society be better off as a whole?
    Because it goes against the grain of what so many want this country to be about. We are all supposed to be the lone ranger, the individualist who is in control of their own minds, when the reality is so different. The realization that people routinely need help managing their own mental landscape is a spear that strikes at the very heart of the concept of rugged individualism and any political philosophy that rests on it, so it is routinely ignored.

    The real truth is that most people are not in full control of their emotions and never will be (nor ever have that ability, its not built in them). We all need a societal support structure, it is simply how humans are built and any real mental health debate has to acknowledge this fact because it touches not only on mental health, but the environmental and societal factors that contribute to it. However, really doing something about it almost requires that we have a mature society where we have systems in place to deal with this stuff and not simply hope to rely on friends, family, and charity.

    Any real solution to mental health issues is going to require government involvement, I see no way around that and until we can get over the silly political bickering about an individual's place in society that misses the big picture, we will never address it.

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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    Another consideration. Cost. While some people might benefit greatly from a few short sessions with a counselor, many others might require years, or even decades of regular "therapy" as well as consistent and heavily supervised medication.

    How much money all that costs could be staggering if not outright impossible.

    So what happens when years and years of maintaining a regimen of counseling and medication all of a sudden get completely shut off due to financial struggles?

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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    I've been saying this from the get-go. First, however, I want to make clear that most mentally ill people are not violent. It's only certain types that are sociopathic, revenge-seeking, enraged, etc. However, I'd like to see mental health care universally available to treat any mentally ill person whether violent or not.

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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    You make very valid points.

    However - I'd say that I don't think anyone is purposefully lumping all things into one category to simply be insulting or prejudicial.

    I think it comes back to the basic concept of an overall lack of information and a knowledge about something of this nature.
    Since most of these things are kept quiet it's just innocent ignorance based on not having a broad enough vocabulary or understanding of the topic.

    The word "illness" suggests some thing that can be "cured". I get that.
    Whereas some genetic and physical traits are things that can't be "cured" and therefore should not be called an illness.

    We would not say that somebody born without an arm or without a leg has an illness. A kid who is autistic is not "sick".

    That's precisely why I think this stuff needs to be talked about. An educational process that benefits everyone.

    Did the Lanza kid have something he was born with? A condition that was not an "illness"? Or was there a combination of things going on there?
    Did he have a true illness where medications and treatments were required to "cure" something?
    I almost completly agree with this. I was actually thinking about this thing last night and I think it boils down to a lack of understanding between the two. it is not ignorance per se but no experience or understanding of the differences between the two. People hear Psychological or Neurological or something llke that and they Immediately think sociopath or psycho or something.

    I guess it just peeves me no end when they do that. I would prefer them to use Mental health or Psychological problems at least this would be alittle closer to the truth.

    I really enjoyed ready your post. I agree with the educational process and gave some ideas on another thread (I think so many now) that discusses this.
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