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Thread: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Thats true, the old abandoned asylums look like pretty grim places to be. But a big part of the reason we moved away from commiting people was because of the wonder drugs that masked mental illness and made people appear normal. And too, the federal government didn't want to pay for the mental hospitals anymore. So drugging people and helping them to function in society became the goal instead of commiting them. It might have seemed more humane, but theres a lot of people who needed a lot more care than just a few days of observation and then released with a bag of meds.

    I knew this lady so thats why i have an interest in this subject....

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    They tried to commit him too, but they just kept releasing him with his meds after a day or two of observation. He obviously wasn't taking his meds when he did that and the law is that you can;t force them to take their meds. Thats where I think the law does need to be changed, but how do you force someone to take their meds without restraining them? And when they are on their meds they don't fit the criteria to be commited because they're acting more normal.
    Not all people, with mental illness present clear violent tendencies.
    Sometimes, they just react out of no where.

    I'd be very leery of restarting serious non voluntary institutionalization.
    Sometimes it's used as a tool to take property from wealthy family members, sometimes it's used to shut people out of the world, etc.

    Community based care, with a possibility of institutionalizing people, with clearly dangerous personalities, ok.
    I could get on board, provided it's done right.
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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    The point being that if the USofA took a different path towards understanding and communicating about this subject perhaps many potential serious problems would never get that far.

    Getting help early would be preventative maintenance, rather than waiting for a full-blown breakdown and being reactionary to catastrophic situations.

    Like going to the doctor for a chest cold and treating it before it becomes more serious like pneumonia.

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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Not all people, with mental illness present clear violent tendencies.
    Sometimes, they just react out of no where.
    Thats true too. But I think when people are diagnosed with schizophrenia and show violent tendencies they should probably get more care than just being drugged and sent on their way with the hope they take their medication.

    I'd be very leery of restarting serious non voluntary institutionalization.
    Yeah, I agree. But I think they know enough about that particular illness to do more for the patient than they have been. I think it's more a problem funding than it is involuntary vs voluntary commitment.

    Sometimes it's used as a tool to take property from wealthy family members, sometimes it's used to shut people out of the world, etc.

    Community based care, with a possibility of institutionalizing people, with clearly dangerous personalities, ok.
    I could get on board, provided it's done right.
    The state mental facilities that are left are probably a lot more modernized than they were in the past and too, the doctors know more about mental illness than they did back then. But their hands are tied and who knows how many more out there that are like that? Could be millions. Could be an epidemic and we don't even know it.

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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    How about you re-read it again without prejudice and added misconception. Does it covers mental health or not? It is a serious question Fly!
    My apologies. The inclusions of the words "your" and "socialism..." brought up serious red-flags. perhaps I did mis-read it.

    If so - I'm sincerely sorry. I shall do 25 pushups as punishment.


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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    My apologies. The inclusions of the words "your" and "socialism..." brought up serious red-flags. perhaps I did mis-read it.

    If so - I'm sincerely sorry. I shall do 25 pushups as punishment.

    Fair enough. In socialism we here use to have every health treatment for free, including mental health. How about what Obama promises, is it covered?

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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Fair enough. In socialism we here use to have every health treatment for free, including mental health. How about what Obama promises, is it covered?
    I have no idea. Considering the position this country is in, with such turmoil and unease - I can't foresee any part of the Obama Health Care plan ever working out for most of us.

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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    Most people clearly understand that we all possess the same types of biological parts (for the most part). And even most can accept that while we have the same parts...that we also have variations of some parts such as hair color, eye color, skin color, body shape, etc.

    But when it comes to issues that make us psychologically different...that's where "some" people have problems accepting differences. Some believe that everybody's brain is fundamentally wired the same way. That we all have the same capacity to exercise "choice" and "free will". I believe that for those who see all people having equal wiring...are prime examples of why we all should clearly know that we are all not wired the same.

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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    If mental health was the same as cancer there would be funding for it. Right now the industry does not want to pay for mental health care, at least chronic, because there is no money in it. There is more to it, I think, but money is the bottom line.
    Its more then just money....a very long range program, we need to develop GOOD psychologists, NOT the ones still in the 1600s. Then we need to get our people away from the 1600s.

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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    As far as I'm concerned, the "real issue" is that far too many people think there is but one instead of realizing the complexity of the matter in such a way that they see a formula rather than one simple variable.

    Far too many here argue "one of the above" instead of "all of the above".
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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    I think far to many believe the human mind is simple, and easy to fix.

    A "Dr. Phil 15 minute point of view" should be enough to "cure" everybody.

    People also tend to compare themselves to others when it comes to how life's situations should be dealt with.

    "I survived just fine with being bullied a little in grade school, so your excuse for your depression/behavior just doesn't fly. Suck it up and get on with life. I did."

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