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Thread: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    This, we need to get to a point where going to see a therapist is just like going to see a doctor because you have the flu. We need to de-stigmatize mental illness, period.
    Georgia the State of America or the Country east to Turkiye? Is it not that mental health is destigmatized in USA?

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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Which stigma about mental illness is being referenced? There are so many kinds of mental illness, from serious to relatively trivial, that just calling it mental illness causes it to be thought of in the most serious terms.

    We also use mental illness terms to reference any horrific criminal action: "What sane person would kill 20 children?"

    On the other hand, it used to be easier to have someone committed when a threat was possible.

    I don't know the solution, but if it is true that some mental health professional tried to have this killer institutionalized and was prevented from doing so, then this is going to turn into a battle between the "take the guns from people" crowd and the "mental illness needs more money" crowd. Neither one will prevent these things but one will make feel better and one will not. Pick your poison.
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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    What about your Obama's Medicare. The one that provides health services to everyone for free I hear. The one that offers health services payed from other people (i.e., much spoken socialism)? Does it covers mental health?
    Tale your hyper-partisan bull**** somewhere else please. This isn't a political issue.
    It's a very serious issue that impacts every single person alive.

    Sweep it under the rug and make something political out of it and we'll doom ourselves to more tragedy.

    Honestly - this kind of post makes me agitated beyond words.

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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Which stigma about mental illness is being referenced?
    There are so many, but mostly that it's something to be kept quiet because it's something to be ashamed of.

    It's a sign of weakness.

    Those kinds of things. Or it's simply laziness or selfishness.

    Take your pick.

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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Tale your hyper-partisan bull**** somewhere else please. This isn't a political issue.
    It's a very serious issue that impacts every single person alive.

    Sweep it under the rug and make something political out of it and we'll doom ourselves to more tragedy.

    Honestly - this kind of post makes me agitated beyond words.
    How about you re-read it again without prejudice and added misconception. Does it covers mental health or not? It is a serious question Fly!

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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    State mental hospitals, which provide long term in house care won't accept or aren't allowed to accept medicaid or medicare. As a result, many states have shut down their state mental hospitals for lack adequate funding. That might be why Adam's mother was thinking to move to Washington state where they still have a state mental hospital.


    Western State Hospital (Washington State) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    CMA*||* Medicare Coverage of Mental Health Services
    I did not know that.

    Medicaid coverage based on eligibility in different states is insane (sorry for the pun). I believe, the states may decide how much they put toward their Medicaid contribution, which the Federal Gov. matches. It might explain why coverage’s are different among states. And, that can also partly explain why some states are in such a financial bind.

    I also saw the Medicare limited reimbursements for the length of hospitalizations and total lifetime limits. I guess its money again. I don’t know what the solution is?
    Language is political. Each of us talks, listens, and thinks in his/her own special language that has been shaped by our culture, experiences, profession, personality, mores and attitudes. The chances of us meeting someone else who talks the exact same language is pretty remote.

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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    State mental hospitals, which provide long term in house care won't accept or aren't allowed to accept medicaid or medicare. As a result, many states have shut down their state mental hospitals for lack adequate funding. That might be why Adam's mother was thinking to move to Washington state where they still have a state mental hospital.


    Western State Hospital (Washington State) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    CMA*||* Medicare Coverage of Mental Health Services
    State mental hospitals have had some serious issues like forced sterilization, abuse, etc.
    That's part of the reason we've moved away from committing people.

    Half way houses and supervised independence are more humane than involuntary commitment.
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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Which stigma about mental illness is being referenced? There are so many kinds of mental illness, from serious to relatively trivial, that just calling it mental illness causes it to be thought of in the most serious terms.
    We also use mental illness terms to reference any horrific criminal action: "What sane person would kill 20 children?"

    On the other hand, it used to be easier to have someone committed when a threat was possible.

    I don't know the solution, but if it is true that some mental health professional tried to have this killer institutionalized and was prevented from doing so, then this is going to turn into a battle between the "take the guns from people" crowd and the "mental illness needs more money" crowd. Neither one will prevent these things but one will make feel better and one will not. Pick your poison.
    I'm for doing both since both contributed to the killing. Adam wouldn't have killed if he wasn't insane and had easy access to guns.

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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    I think that the Media projects an "Image" of what the USA and we the people are. and it is diametrically opposed to reality and that many people have mental problems when trying to unravel reallity. For example, here we are, "for liberty and justice for all," and we do lot's of killing in Vietnam, Granada, Panama, Iraq, Libya, lots of Latin American locales and none of these places have liberty and justice. We are leading a drug War and in Afghanistan, after we got control, opium production went up about 30 times what it had been. That is reality. The drug wars in Mexico and South America all seem to be in our little fiefdoms and Iran Contra proves that we do deal drugs. We have the best government and politicians that money can buy and money buys lots of politicians but I can't afford any. I think many students raised in our schools are taught the "Idealistic" imagery about our Nation and when they begin to unravel reality, it is a Cathartic and profoundly mind bending experience. Perhaps it is about "Reality Shock."

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    Re: Mental Health - Isn't This The Real Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    State mental hospitals have had some serious issues like forced sterilization, abuse, etc.
    That's part of the reason we've moved away from committing people.

    Half way houses and supervised independence are more humane than involuntary commitment.
    Thats true, the old abandoned asylums look like pretty grim places to be. But a big part of the reason we moved away from commiting people was because of the wonder drugs that masked mental illness and made people appear normal. And too, the federal government didn't want to pay for the mental hospitals anymore. So drugging people and helping them to function in society became the goal instead of commiting them. It might have seemed more humane, but theres a lot of people who needed a lot more care than just a few days of observation and then released with a bag of meds.

    I knew this lady so thats why i have an interest in this subject....

    Prosecutors: Man stabbed grandmother 111 times - CBS News

    They tried to commit him too, but they just kept releasing him with his meds after a day or two of observation. He obviously wasn't taking his meds when he did that and the law is that you can;t force them to take their meds. Thats where I think the law does need to be changed, but how do you force someone to take their meds without restraining them? And when they are on their meds they don't fit the criteria to be commited because they're acting more normal.

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