View Poll Results: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

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  • The Shooters

    61 78.21%
  • The shooters' families

    9 11.54%
  • The NRA and other Pro Gun groups

    8 10.26%
  • The Second Amendment

    2 2.56%
  • Gun Free zone laws that disarm victims

    18 23.08%
  • The Media for hyping the shootings

    22 28.21%
  • The legal or mental health system

    14 17.95%
  • Society in General

    27 34.62%
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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    wasn't that part of Don't come round here no more (Tom Petty Video)?
    I don't remember it being. But it was from Chronicles of Riddick, on Cremetoria, when the guys attack kyra.

    While not particularly accurate or probable, it was entertaining, but it is a clear illustration of a mind being the only true weapon. No matter what is available, a mind intent on killing will find a way.
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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    A combination of the shooter, the media, society in general, and the NRA.
    Vast majority being the shooter him own selfs fault.


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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Vote now-I am hearing lots of lefties blaming the NRA rather than the killers
    The shooter, and only the shooter in most cases.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I own lots of guns-maybe 10 were purchased for self defense-none for offensive uses against humans

    I have 5 for "bowling pin matches"

    three for PPC (practical police competition-revolvers)

    three for "Falling PLATE matches (Steel plates)

    2 open, 2 limited, 2 limited ten and 2 production IPSC pistols

    2 For ISU skeet
    2 for ISU trap
    2 for American Skeet
    2 for American trap

    6 for sporting clays

    2 for "Three position small bore rifle
    2 for National service rifle matches

    2 for small bore bullseye pistol
    2 for Center fire bullseye pistol (2700)
    Wow! That sure is a lot of guns. You must need a separate ROOM for all of those. Lol!

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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Wow! That sure is a lot of guns. You must need a separate ROOM for all of those. Lol!
    Such is the cost of competitive shooting. I was never good enough to even consider it. I also could never afford the grade of weapons and the cost of practice to get that good (assuming I ever could). I wouldn't mind doing it, but unless I win the lottery, I can not afford it.

    Just like the game of golf, it is an expensive hobby. I never spent the money for proper equipment for golf, back when I could, to find out just how much I might like it. I at least have a few guns and know I like shooting. But, heck, I am happy if all shots stay on the paper and ecstatic if they all stay in the black, to hell with actually setting a pattern (I generally do not use human outline targets, just the square ones with a round center).
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Such is the cost of competitive shooting. I was never good enough to even consider it. I also could never afford the grade of weapons and the cost of practice to get that good (assuming I ever could). I wouldn't mind doing it, but unless I win the lottery, I can not afford it.

    Just like the game of golf, it is an expensive hobby. I never spent the money for proper equipment for golf, back when I could, to find out just how much I might like it. I at least have a few guns and know I like shooting. But, heck, I am happy if all shots stay on the paper and ecstatic if they all stay in the black, to hell with actually setting a pattern (I generally do not use human outline targets, just the square ones with a round center).
    Just regular plain old target shooting by yourself or with friends is fun too.

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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    A gun is a weapon. It is, by its very nature, an instrument of violence. If you want one, then you want if for its capacity to inflict violence. Whether it is for hunting or defense, you own it for its ability to create violence when needed. It is naive to assume that a person would want a gun for any other reason.
    You're both correct.

    When you buy even a small AWB-compliant hand gun strictly for personal defense, you are buying it because you want to have the ability to do violence if the situation calls for it.

    That doesn't mean you desire, savor and look forward to doing violence. That only means you want to reserve success in the gravest extreme.

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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Death by tea cup.
    Chronicles of Riddick, as he's facing 3 guards in the tipple-max prison on planet Crematoria.

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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Vote now-I am hearing lots of lefties blaming the NRA rather than the killers
    Violent games and moral degradation. According to lots of righties.
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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Violent games and moral degradation. According to lots of righties.
    The problem is, neither the left nor the right want to deal with the actual problem because doing so is going to cost them votes. So you have the religious lunatics on the right whining that it's all about taking religion out of schools and the liberal lunatics on the left whining that it's all about guns.

    But sides are lunatics.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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