View Poll Results: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

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  • The Shooters

    61 78.21%
  • The shooters' families

    9 11.54%
  • The NRA and other Pro Gun groups

    8 10.26%
  • The Second Amendment

    2 2.56%
  • Gun Free zone laws that disarm victims

    18 23.08%
  • The Media for hyping the shootings

    22 28.21%
  • The legal or mental health system

    14 17.95%
  • Society in General

    27 34.62%
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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    He was proving that idiotic statement of yours wrong. target shooting does NOT CREATE VIOLENCE
    Oh good lord. It causes damage at a distance. That is, by definition, a form of violence.
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    The economy will improve under this bill. If a few people die, it will be for the betterament of this country.

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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Oh good lord. It causes damage at a distance. That is, by definition, a form of violence.
    Can it do that without an operator?

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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Good for them. Now how does that have relevance to what I said?
    You're the one arguing that gun owners only want guns because they are capable of violence. You're just wrong.
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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Oh good lord. It causes damage at a distance. That is, by definition, a form of violence.
    OMG you continue to dig deeper. is a carpenter violent for driving nails into the screaming flesh of a dead tree? how about a plowman as he rapes the field with his tiller?

    you lost give it up.

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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You're the one arguing that gun owners only want guns because they are capable of violence. You're just wrong.
    He got caught posting something that is patently ridiculous and rather conceding his failure, he is trying to weasel out of it

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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    He got caught posting something that is patently ridiculous and rather conceding his failure, he is trying to weasel out of it
    Not really all that surprising though, is it?
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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    I voted shooter. I thought about mental health system, but I really don't know enough about this shooter's history to make a determination that it was the mental health system's fault. Although the mother of the shooter may or may not have acted irresponsibly (not sure on this point either), I don't think I can actually blame her for the actions of her obviously mentally ill son.

    I would also vote gun-free zones because I believe that all the people contained within a gun-free zone are sitting ducks to lunatics like this and are left completely unable to defend themselves. If just ONE person had a gun, they could have put an end to this massacre. That is a real tragedy.

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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Not really all that surprising though, is it?
    Nah I was sort of thrown for a loop with the libertarian lean though, normally its "progressives" who think everyone who buys an Anschutz 54 three position target rifle or a Perazzi Mirage (the gun I won a ton of medals with) does so with the idea of killing people

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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    "...its capacity..."

    That's where the wheels came off the tracks. The firearm, by itself, has no capacity to do anything. It requires and operator and it is that operator that has intentions. For some reason you have decided to treat the firearm as if it has some kind of life of its own. A firearm is no different than a lawnmower or a tablespoon. It's a tool and nothing more. Anything and everything it "does" is wholly dependent on the person using it.
    I seldom use my tablespoons. I mostly use teaspoons. So, I have been considering turning all of them into awesome weapons.

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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    The fact that you got that offended by the implication should probably tell you something.

    You may buy a gun to use as a paperweight but that doesn't change what it is. How you use your gun doesn't change its capacity to inflict violence or kill. No matter how badly you want to pretend it isn't true, a gun is a WEAPON.
    So are you actually saying that everyone who owns a gun wants to inflict violence on others or kill? I'm sure that most people who own a gun or guns for home defense are hopeful that they will never have to use them.

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