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  • The Shooters

    61 78.21%
  • The shooters' families

    9 11.54%
  • The NRA and other Pro Gun groups

    8 10.26%
  • The Second Amendment

    2 2.56%
  • Gun Free zone laws that disarm victims

    18 23.08%
  • The Media for hyping the shootings

    22 28.21%
  • The legal or mental health system

    14 17.95%
  • Society in General

    27 34.62%
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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    Berthold the Black lived, allegedly, during the 14th century. You missed the window by only 500 years.
    if he invented it without knowing about the chinese then that means europe would have gotten gun powder nonetheless

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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    if he invented it without knowing about the chinese then that means europe would have gotten gun powder nonetheless
    In the centuries following the Chinese discovery, gunpowder weapons began appearing in the Arab world, Europe, and India. The consensus is that this was spread from China, through the Middle East, and then into Europe.[5]

    It might be the only case of a German reverse engineering an Asian invention.

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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    In the centuries following the Chinese discovery, gunpowder weapons began appearing in the Arab world, Europe, and India. The consensus is that this was spread from China, through the Middle East, and then into Europe.[5]
    the bottom line, w/o chinese contributions we'd still be where we are now

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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the bottom line, w/o chinese contributions we'd still be where we are now
    Except Adam might have to do his dirty work with a cumbersome Bowie knife.

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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Look, my answer was cheeky. If you don't like cheeky then just ignore it and move on.

    But so far my Chinese Alchemist answer has received two likes to none on all your posts.

    Some people on this site appreciate wit.
    Last edited by spanky; 12-18-12 at 06:58 PM.

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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    All the above because all of them cause issues.
    What he said. the OP should be a percentage of blame not who. Nothing is linear. There is no easy answer to this or anything else. its layered.
    "Those who do not learn from history and condemned to relive it".

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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    The shooter, and ONLY the shooter.

    You can't blame other people when one person decides to go evil. We're all ultimately and solely responsible for the choices we make.

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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    Except Adam might have to do his dirty work with a cumbersome Bowie knife.
    No, a broad sword, long sword, katana, dai Katana, etc would trump a Bowie Knife. When I visited the Philippines, they made all kinds of knifes and swords from old automobile leaf springs, not complicated to do. The curvature and shape of a Bowie would actually make it harder to make. True, the are more readily available. And then you have all kinds of bows.

    No, even without the Chinese invention of gun powder (assuming someone else didn't invent it), we would still have lots of ways to kill each other.

    A well trained and practiced swordsman can probably actually kill/injure more people per minute than most people can with a gun, even with a semi-auto. He just has to get closer is all and he doesn't have to stop and reload. Anyone up for Kendo classes?

    Interesting that in our society we have the term "Axe-Murderer" but not "gun-murderer". hmm.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    No, a broad sword, long sword, katana, dai Katana, etc would trump a Bowie Knife. When I visited the Philippines, they made all kinds of knifes and swords from old automobile leaf springs, not complicated to do. The curvature and shape of a Bowie would actually make it harder to make. True, the are more readily available. And then you have all kinds of bows.

    No, even without the Chinese invention of gun powder (assuming someone else didn't invent it), we would still have lots of ways to kill each other.

    A well trained and practiced swordsman can probably actually kill/injure more people per minute than most people can with a gun, even with a semi-auto. He just has to get closer is all and he doesn't have to stop and reload. Anyone up for Kendo classes?

    Interesting that in our society we have the term "Axe-Murderer" but not "gun-murderer". hmm.
    I think we mostly agree on this issue but I will take a little of your analysis to umbrage.

    Give me two semi auto .45s with 25 round clips I'll take on ten of your Katana wielding, soon to be fertilizer heroes.

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