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  • The Shooters

    61 78.21%
  • The shooters' families

    9 11.54%
  • The NRA and other Pro Gun groups

    8 10.26%
  • The Second Amendment

    2 2.56%
  • Gun Free zone laws that disarm victims

    18 23.08%
  • The Media for hyping the shootings

    22 28.21%
  • The legal or mental health system

    14 17.95%
  • Society in General

    27 34.62%
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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    The interesting part is that the NRA is the only one of the options up there that I can't really see a way of assigning some of the blame to. Everything else listed shares in the blame at least a little.
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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    A gun is a weapon. It is, by its very nature, an instrument of violence. If you want one, then you want if for its capacity to inflict violence. Whether it is for hunting or defense, you own it for its ability to create violence when needed. It is naive to assume that a person would want a gun for any other reason.
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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    A gun is a weapon. It is, by its very nature, an instrument of violence. If you want one, then you want if for its capacity to inflict violence. Whether it is for hunting or defense, you own it for its ability to create violence when needed. It is naive to assume that a person would want a gun for any other reason.
    Substitute "military force" for "gun" in your post (above) and think about it that way. The idea, in case you missed it, is that without defense you are at the will of any that may choose to make you do their will. If you are the biggest, baddest SOB alive then you have no need to worry unless, of course, someone arrives that wishes to challenge you and they happen to have a gun. We know this hardly ever happens, as the FBI statistics (world history, for the military force version) show us, but just in case, I'll keep mine, thank you.
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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The shooter.


    This is too obvious for a Liberal to understand.

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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Violent games and moral degradation. According to lots of righties.
    Violent games is the subject of another thread. Moral degradation in society, hmm, a topic possibly worth exploring and probably has something to do with a lot of politics in America.
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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    I chose the shooter, gun free zones, and the Media coverage (which was out of proportion) as primarily reasonable.

    I did not select families since often they are too close to make a determination of their children being "off" though any abuse or neglect would hold some responsibility.

    I did not select the mental health system since mental illness developing in children and young adults are not being handled by them in a systematically way so it cannot be blamed for not doing something. With respect to mental health, the government cannot deal with this very well since it is not something that a "one size fits all" standard can be applied to.

    The NRA and 2nd Amendment Rights groups are not responsible for the actions of mentally ill individuals.

    The 2nd Amendment is no more responsible for the actions of a person who abuses their rights than the 1st Amendment is.

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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning View Post
    I wish there was a "dislike" button or "Vote off debatepolitics" button. I would seriously go out of my way to click that said button for an hour if it meant seeing your demise on this forum.
    For a libertarian, you don't seem overly concerned about a little thing called Constitutionally-guaranteed "freedom of speech".
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    Re: Who or What is most responsible for the mass shootings

    I would definatly have to say society is the main cause of these mass shootings and our loose gun ownership laws is the gas that creates the inferno. Our society has gone in the crapper ever since both parents had to work in order to keep food on the table. The feminist movement has not helped one bit at all, convincing women that they should not try to "work out" issues in a marriage and that men are basically disposable commodities that are nice to have around when something needs to be fixed or a spider killed, but other than that, they are utterly useless and just a nuisance.
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