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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    like my landscaper his boots and clothes arent lasting as long as yours
    Then give him a tip if you feel that he deserves more money based on the job he's doing. Find some luxury in your own life that is unnecessary and scrimp and give it to him if you feel he deserves it.

    But that would be far harder than just demanding it of others.

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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The people doing that article must not be looking hard enough because in my city you can find a two bedroom apartment all bills paid for about 680 a month.
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    They are probably, although I cannot prove it, using a cost averaging of apartments that meet specifications for the area. The numbers, probably, would look a lot different if the averaged out only the bottom 50%, which would be a much better number. I think the bottom 30% would be the most reasonable, because those are the ones that people at minimum wage are actually going to be looking at.

    However, only averaging out the apartments that might be affordable, or near affordable, to someone on minimum wage would no allow them to make it look so bad and encourage more people to vote for even more socialism in the government.
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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Look conservatives need to get their heads out...and stop living in this lala land where they believe everyone can work hard and go to college and blahblahblahblah...NO not everyone can go to college, no not everyone is bright enough to do college level work...not everyone can possibly afford to go to college...and NO NOT EVERYONE IS GOING TO BE RICH and successful through hard work...that is a big BS story and just talking points for people that dont want to pay any taxs and dont give a chit if they step over bodies in the street
    You are right about not everybody is going to be rich and successful through hard work (but not going to college didn't stop me from busting my ass and owning my own business.I owned my first restaurant for 5 years before I even went to Le Cordon Bleu to get my degree in Culinary Arts) but that doesn't mean they can't be productive,develop a skill or hone their inborn talent and have a good living (that's what I did).
    If one wants to better ones life,there are legal and legitimate ways to do it without relying on an agency (the government) that not only does big things badly,but does small things just as bad.

    If a person is satisfied with living on minimum,I have no problem with that.If not the instead of bitching about it,do something about it.
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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Not everyone is you tess..first of all some people work HARD for minumum wage...like my landscaper his boots and clothes arent lasting as long as yours...depending on what you do...bottom line no one can live on minimum wage...
    If the minimum wage was 12 bucks in some areas people couldnt live. and were only talking only about single people...theres lots of parents working for minimum wage..
    You keep saying "no one can live on minimum wage". I've proven it's possible to do so in my area. You can change the goal posts, but it doesn't kill my argument. I used a specific scenario to show exactly why it IS possible in my area to live on minimum wage, and HOW it would be possible to do so.

    Minimum wage isn't designed nor intended for anybody anywhere to live comfortably. It's a wage floor designed so that MOST WORKERS can live comfortably. Most minimum wage jobs require very few expensive or hard-to-acquire skills, can be taught "on the job", and present little liability. They are jobs that can be easily filled and often have incredibly high turn over rates. In other words, they are not jobs designed for skilled, capable adults to fill long-term as a means of achieving some abstract financial solvency goal.

    As others in this thread have said: If you want to earn more than minimum wage, make yourself worth more than minimum wage by acquiring skills and developing your abilities.

    I began working in 2002 as a carphop at Sonic making $5.15/hour, 15 hours a week. Without a college education, without a network of "good buddy" types helping me advance, without a hand out I'm now the manager of my department, making almost 10x the yearly salary I averaged at Sonic. I did it through hard work, reliability, and learning.

    I've lived on my own since I was 19. I've never (as an adult) taken any kind of government aid except my education grants, which I earn through maintaining a high GPA (I'm required to keep a 3.6 average GPA to keep my aid).

    On the other hand, I have a friend in his 40s who works for Dominos delivering pizzas. In fact, he's never had a job much above that level. He's very smart, very capable, and has tons of marketable skills..but he's never cared enough about career success to apply himself to finding a higher paying job. Why the hell should I subsidize him? He made his choice. There's absolutely nothing holding him back except himself. You can't even blame it on the economy, because he's 40...he's been doing this since he was 16. He's ALWAYS sought easy, low-responsibility employment.
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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Look conservatives need to get their heads out...and stop living in this lala land where they believe everyone can work hard and go to college and blahblahblahblah...NO not everyone can go to college, no not everyone is bright enough to do college level work...not everyone can possibly afford to go to college...and NO NOT EVERYONE IS GOING TO BE RICH and successful through hard work...that is a big BS story and just talking points for people that dont want to pay any taxs and dont give a chit if they step over bodies in the street
    I disagree, I think anyone who completes high school is capable of college level work.
    Community college classes are affordable to just about anyone.
    Even just putting some college on your resume can improve your chances.
    Taking a few specialize classes related to your area may even get you a career.
    If nothing else, anyone can wait tables, it teaches good people skills.
    In 1979 when the minimum wage was $2.65/hr, I waited tables at a pizza place
    for $1.90/hr, but would make about $25/6 hour shift in tips(and free Pizza).
    The real problems come when you have a family that is counting on you to provide.
    I have worked some UGLY jobs over the years, to make sure my kids were provided for.
    The good news is, the USA is truly the land of opportunity, hard work and a good attitude do pay off.
    It is the reason so many people still want to come here.

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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Nope. Living on Minimum Wage is almost impossible. Especially for anyone who has any sort of bills (electric, cable, gas, etc...). Of course, the Minimum Wage was never really intended to be for people to live on for extended periods of time, and definitely not with a family. People who want to see the Minimum Wage as a Living Wage seem to miss that point more often than not.
    exactly. The 20 y/o single me could have lived on minimum wage. the 25 y/o married with 2 kids me could not have. fortunately i was motivated enough to educate/train myself so that i could find a job that paid more than minimum wage.

    IMHO, minimum wage jobs should be filled by students, retirees looking for supplemental income, young people just starting out and those with disabilities that prevent them from enhancing their skill set. If you are 30 years old and still working a minimum wage job, trying to support a family...you are an idiot. either #1 get some education/training so you are qualified for a better job or #2 don't have a family until you do #1. what you don't do is whine and cry because no one wants to pay you $20/hr to stock shelves at walmart or clean toilets at costco
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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Can you live on minimum wage or even up to 50% more than the minimum wage, before you decide read this article and look the map.
    I am looking for another easier to read graph that shows apt costs in every state which in turn shows that at minimum wage FULL time workers cant pay for an apt
    Also keep in mind most Minimum wage and low wage earners are part timers <walmarts>


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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Assuming you are capable of aquiring said skills and training, how do you fit it in and pay for it while working 3 minimum wage jobs to get by?
    you man up and stop being a bitch. when i was 24 years old i worked construction ($6/hr in the late 80s) 14-16 hours a day 5 days a week (MWFSS) and went to college on Tuesdays and Thursdays. my wife, i and two kids lived in a crappy 3 room apartment over a copier shop and lived off beans, rice and whatever veggies we could grow in window boxes. i did this for a year and a half until i graduated and got a job that paid better.
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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    We need a ton of reform and improvement here..
    Places/businesses need to provide much more in job training on an OJT ( on job training)..The applicants must be willing to work for little to a negative number...with a promise to stay for an agreed to time..
    Both parties must agree and be responsible, honest....open...
    Possible ?
    Not without attitude changes.

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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Can you live on minimum wage or even up to 50% more than the minimum wage, before you decide read this article and look the map.
    I am looking for another easier to read graph that shows apt costs in every state which in turn shows that at minimum wage FULL time workers cant pay for an apt
    Also keep in mind most Minimum wage and low wage earners are part timers <walmarts>


    Rent Affordability on Minimum Wage - NYTimes.com
    Anyone can live on minimum wage if Uncle Sam subsidizes everything. Isn't that what we're all shootin' for anyways?

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