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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    What says that destitute poverty is not all that they have earned? What says the government has a responsibility to provide anything above what the market says a worker should earn? Is there anything that proves any one should be protected from destitute poverty if that is all that they have earned?
    Sure...sounds like a great dystopic future you have in mind. Any society that believes that "earns" the high crime rates and social instability they experience due to that viewpoint.
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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    dude, the math is so simple it is ridiculous. 20% of the pop = 20% of the pop. there are the same number of people in the bottom 20% as there are in the top 20%. take the total population, rank them by income and then take 20% off the bottom and average their income/expenditure and take 20% off the top and average their income/expenditure. it is the same freakin number of people.
    You'll figure it out eventually, or not! It doesn't mean a rat's ass to me, the election is over and the tax rates are about to go up for the wealthy just as the majority of Americans thought they should.
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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You'll figure it out eventually, or not! It doesn't mean a rat's ass to me, the election is over and the tax rates are about to go up for the wealthy just as the majority of Americans thought they should.
    IOW...you know you are wrong but don't have the nads to admit it, so you try to shift gears. unless you care to show me some convoluted calculations to show how there are more people in the bottom 20% of the population than there are in the top 20% of the population.

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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You'll figure it out eventually, or not! It doesn't mean a rat's ass to me, the election is over and the tax rates are about to go up for the wealthy just as the majority of Americans thought they should.
    and the poor will still be just as poor as they are today/were last month
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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Sure...sounds like a great dystopic future you have in mind. Any society that believes that "earns" the high crime rates and social instability they experience due to that viewpoint.
    Taken alone, you may have a point. But coupled with my views on crime, punishment and gun control, not much of one. The more uncomfortable it is at the bottom, the more people will strive to rise above that bottom. You cannot stop people from going to the bottom, some will always end up there. But, by making it the second most uncomfortable place to exist, you will greatly motivate more people to not accept the bottom as an acceptable level. Welfare should be the absolute minimum that a person needs to survive and they should have to work, usually hard at manual labor in order to have even that. Minimum wage should allow a slightly higher than welfare standard of living.

    You methods have the government catering to the greed of the bottom without the need to earn better. My methods use not only greed but survival instincts to motivate people to do better.
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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You'll figure it out eventually, or not! It doesn't mean a rat's ass to me, the election is over and the tax rates are about to go up for the wealthy just as the majority of Americans thought they should.
    And we will get to see the actual affects upon the economy, instead of just the predicted ones. If the affects are negative, then your side cannot say they were not warned. The "majority" has made their choice and all the rest of us can do is plan and prepare to survive the fall out.
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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and the poor will still be just as poor as they are today/were last month
    And the gap will continue to widen

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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    And the gap will continue to widen
    yeppers. raising taxes on the rich is not going to magically create millions of high paying jobs for low skilled/uneducated workers
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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen
    The first minimum wage passed in 1968 adjusted for inflation was 10.58 per hour.

    Minimum wage has always been about protecting the bottom of the economic pyramid from destitute povery.
    Destitute poverty? F'n spare me...



    I get so sick of this whiny ass crap about how bad the American "poor" have it. It's old, it's tired, and it's disproven endlessly.

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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Destitute poverty? F'n spare me...



    I get so sick of this whiny ass crap about how bad the American "poor" have it. It's old, it's tired, and it's disproven endlessly.
    I'd like to see the 0.6% of the poor folks that have a jacuzzi.
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