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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    This is total bologna. Companies, union or not, are not forced to keep poor quality workers. Most workers are non-union and non-contract, in other words, "at will" and can be fired for any reason as long as it doesn't violate civil rights laws. In other words, they can't be fired for their race, ethnicity, national origin, religion, etc. If they're in an "at will" state, they don't even have to document it. If they're not, they just have to document the worker's transgressions, which don't have to be severe. If a worker is more than 5 minutes late at least 6 times, you can fire him at your discretion. And it's easy to document. And stop spreading the lie that union workers cannot be fired. Unions negotiate an appeals process that gives a worker the chance to defend himself from accusations. This is to protect people from trumped-up firings, but a union won't prevent a bad employee from being fired. If he's late all the time; if he does bad quality work, if he harasses people; if he wastes company time on personal matters, he can and should be fired. It's misinformation that an employer gets stuck with bad employees. Stop spreading the lies.
    this does nothing to counter the arguement that a good minimum wage worker actually deserves more than minimum wage.

    if you are in a MW job and you do your job well, you earn your mW. only if you excell or do above and beyond the job description do you earn or deserve more than MW
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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Evenstar
    Well to be fair, the wealth- so called- in the 90s fueling this "prosperity" was largely debt funded.
    You say that like it's a bad thing.

    Remove debt financing from the business world, and all things we know today immediately cease. I don't feel like living in a Little House on the Prairie rerun, thank you very much.

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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    This is total bologna. Companies, union or not, are not forced to keep poor quality workers. Most workers are non-union and non-contract, in other words, "at will" and can be fired for any reason as long as it doesn't violate civil rights laws. In other words, they can't be fired for their race, ethnicity, national origin, religion, etc. If they're in an "at will" state, they don't even have to document it. If they're not, they just have to document the worker's transgressions, which don't have to be severe. If a worker is more than 5 minutes late at least 6 times, you can fire him at your discretion. And it's easy to document. And stop spreading the lie that union workers cannot be fired. Unions negotiate an appeals process that gives a worker the chance to defend himself from accusations. This is to protect people from trumped-up firings, but a union won't prevent a bad employee from being fired. If he's late all the time; if he does bad quality work, if he harasses people; if he wastes company time on personal matters, he can and should be fired. It's misinformation that an employer gets stuck with bad employees. Stop spreading the lies.
    So 13 workers at Chrysler that got caught drinking at lunch and going back to work under the influence of alcohol were not given back their jobs? The union had nothing to do with this?

    Companies, any where, can fire minorities "at will" without fear of legal/civil actions being taken against them? When that claim of prejudice is wagered against a company, how much does it take to prove it wasn't prejudice? How much negative coverage will be levied against a company that fights the charge will there be? How much will it cost them to fight it, both in lost revenue and legal fees? Or even to settle out of court to avoid the bad press and legal fees?

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    These, and others, all exist because Unions have either been the implement of the restrictions or the union has backed the tenure system and other systems to protect people from being fired.
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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick
    Unions negotiate an appeals process that gives a worker the chance to defend himself from accusations. This is to protect people from trumped-up firings, but a union won't prevent a bad employee from being fired.
    My ass they won't.

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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    How Americans Make And Spend Their Money - Forbes.com

    Average annual expenditures
    Poorest 20%: $17,837
    Middle 20%: $36,980
    Richest 20%: $83,710

    How Americans Make And Spend Their Money - Forbes.com

    Average household income before taxes
    Poorest 20%: $9,168
    Middle 20%: $41,614
    Richest 20%: $132,158


    the richest spend 63.34% of their annual incomes
    the poor spend a whopping 194.56% of their annual income (so where does that extra 94.56% come from? it is given to them by the govt from $$$$ taken from the other 80%)

    so, as you can see, the top 20% outspends the bottom 20% by a factor of 4.6X (despite being robbed by the govt to nearly double the amount of $$$$ the bottom 20% spends)


    Now multiply those figures by the percentage of population each income group represents and you will have figured it out.
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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Nope. Living on Minimum Wage is almost impossible. Especially for anyone who has any sort of bills (electric, cable, gas, etc...). Of course, the Minimum Wage was never really intended to be for people to live on for extended periods of time, and definitely not with a family. People who want to see the Minimum Wage as a Living Wage seem to miss that point more often than not.
    The first minimum wage passed in 1968 adjusted for inflation was 10.58 per hour.

    Minimum wage has always been about protecting the bottom of the economic pyramid from destitute povery.
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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    My ass they won't.
    my brother's sister-in-law married a dude that was a big time pothead and all around worthless POS. his daddy got him a union job at one of the auto parts makers in our area. dude was constantly late for work, called in sick at least once a week, showed up for work high as ****, etc, etc, etc. they tried for over a year to fire his ass with no success. he finally quit because it was too much effort to get up and get dressed for work every day.
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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Now multiply those figures by the percentage of population each income group represents and you will have figured it out.
    dude, the math is so simple it is ridiculous. 20% of the pop = 20% of the pop. there are the same number of people in the bottom 20% as there are in the top 20%. take the total population, rank them by income and then take 20% off the bottom and average their income/expenditure and take 20% off the top and average their income/expenditure. it is the same freakin number of people.
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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    The first minimum wage passed in 1968 adjusted for inflation was 10.58 per hour.

    Minimum wage has always been about protecting the bottom of the economic pyramid from destitute povery.
    What says that destitute poverty is not all that they have earned? What says the government has a responsibility to provide anything above what the market says a worker should earn? Is there anything that proves any one should be protected from destitute poverty if that is all that they have earned?
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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    What says that destitute poverty is not all that they have earned? What says the government has a responsibility to provide anything above what the market says a worker should earn? Is there anything that proves any one should be protected from destitute poverty if that is all that they have earned?
    life, liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness. maybe they just aren't pursuing hard enough......
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