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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Jesus christ dude...have you ever heard of divorce man...have you ever known decent people that got divorced...have you ever known a guy that left his wife and kid or two for another woman ...or just took off...your not seeing any legitimate reasons because you just want to be right and label everyone that doesnt have as much as you no good..
    There are legitimate reason to end up in such a situation, never said there weren't. (Ok, I admit my wording would lead to that conclusion, that is my sometimes (probably often) lack of rhetorical skill. I know what I am saying, it just for some reason never gets on the page that way and I don't catch it until someone points it out. one of the reasons for being on a forum is to practice and learn my communications skills)

    But whether she got in that situation by legitimate means or her own choices is still an necessary addition to our knowledge about her.

    However, whether someone in that situation stays in that situation is entirely up to them. I also understand that with a child, it will require help from family and friends.

    what I should of probably said, and this relates to the subject of the thread, just our mythical single mother. I see a lot of excuses why someone has to stay at minimum wage but no reason for them to.
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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Conditions have changed. There are 4 times as many people as there are jobs openings. Way more than that if you look at just the jobs openings that pay more than minimum wage. So, we either agree to a living wage, or taxpayers agree to pay more in welfare to those for whom there are no jobs or are paid substandard wages by employers.

    Do you have another alternative?

    Keep in mind also, there would be no better way of stimulating the economy than raising the minimum wage to a living wage.
    Alternatives:

    Live on less.
    Tighten employment rules to prevent hiring of illegal aliens.
    Relocate to areas that have jobs available.

    A couple more points: Raising the minimum wage will not stimulate the economy...it'll put a drag on the economy. Paying more in welfare is also a drag on the economy because the government must suck more money out of the private sector. These two points...if increased...are bad news.
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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Alternatives:

    Live on less.
    Tighten employment rules to prevent hiring of illegal aliens.
    Relocate to areas that have jobs available.
    So you have no viable alternatives, thanks!
    A couple more points: Raising the minimum wage will not stimulate the economy...it'll put a drag on the economy. Paying more in welfare is also a drag on the economy because the government must suck more money out of the private sector. These two points...if increased...are bad news.

    Who spends a bigger percentage of their income, the working poor, or the wealthy?
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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So you have no viable alternatives, thanks!



    Who spends a bigger percentage of their income, the working poor, or the wealthy?
    percentages don't stimulate the economy...actual dollars do.

    90% of 20K will not stimulate the economy as much as 15% of 200K
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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post

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    The first link, I have already responded to another thread.

    The second.

    First, raising minimum wage, as I said earlier in the thread would only lead to wage adjustments as the price of everything raises to pay for that increase, within a very shot time, that new "living wage" won't mean anything and every would be right back to where it is today, just with different dollar amounts. And those same fat cats at the top will increase theirs by just as much of a percentage as the bottom got adjusted, probably more since it would give an excuse to make the raises in price and who is going to go around counting everything to see if the fudged 1% or 2%.

    second, why did all those jobs leave. I know the general answer from liberals is greed, specifically the greed of companies and share holders. However, I don't believe it. How much does it cost to run an oil refinery in the US? What was it in 1970? How much does labor cost them? How much does EPA changes cost them to not only meet the new standards but to regulate them? How much to drill an oil well in the US and meet all the EPA requirements to do it? Somewhere around 95% of the refineries that existed in 1970 have been closed (EPA is one reason given for closing, labor costs another, while I believe at least some of it is those causes, I don't think it is the whole truth), they no longer exist. How much is a gallon of gas? What would be that price if all our oil came from the US?

    What about the auto industry? etc, etc, etc.

    During the '70s, 80s, what were the sales of us goods like? How well did they compete with cheaper and higher quality good brought in from overseas? What was the quality of American manufactured goods like on average? Americans then and now bought on price and quality (for those who could afford it). Trade deficits with some countries became astronomical as Americans bought up the foreign goods and left the American products mostly on the shelf (or on the show room floor, as the case may be). Companies that used other companies products, like steel, started buying form overseas to try to control costs, the steel industry almost died. So, companies started outsourcing (actually they started it in some industries as early as the 1950s or even earlier) in order to survive. Some adjusted by replacing large amounts of the work force with robotics and automation. The cost of labor was too high to compete, in some industries added and changing EPA regulations were too costly to meet, Corporate taxes were high (Currently highest in industrialized world), the only way they could survive and compete was to outsource to cheaper labor pools and less restrictive regulation. The American Consumer simply would not buy enough American made products to keep them operating. They could not compete with cheap overseas products. Once they moved, they did not pass on any reductions in cost other than those necessary to compete, but instead kept the difference.

    Unfortunately, a lot of it was caused by the government interfering in the first place. We, the American people, through our purchases, Unions and elections are the ones that drove these jobs overseas. Now we need to fix, but instead, we go ahead and elect official so that the government will "fix" it. The same blame government that caused a lot of the breakage in the first place.
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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Can you live on minimum wage or even up to 50% more than the minimum wage, before you decide read this article and look the map.
    I am looking for another easier to read graph that shows apt costs in every state which in turn shows that at minimum wage FULL time workers cant pay for an apt
    Also keep in mind most Minimum wage and low wage earners are part timers <walmarts>


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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So you have no viable alternatives, thanks!



    Who spends a bigger percentage of their income, the working poor, or the wealthy?
    Those alternatives are viable for the people who don't have jobs...regardless whether you think they are or not. The fact is...people don't need the government to get a job.

    Oh...I forgot another viable alternative: create your own job.
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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So you have no viable alternatives, thanks!



    Who spends a bigger percentage of their income, the working poor, or the wealthy?
    Who can afford to give the government the finger and move elsewhere taking their money with them? We have already seen some do it (both companies and individuals), at what point do more do it? What should we do to stop them? Charge an exit tax? Maybe build a wall around us and shoot anyone trying to leave? (how well did that work out in Berlin?) Or should we not piss them off to the point they leave?

    What would happen if we piss off the owners of Walmart, they decide they are rich enough and are fed up with the government and taxes so they decide to just close down Walmart and sell off it's assets?
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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    lol ok...what are you entitled to do then...live in a box in an alley or apply for govt assisted housing section 8
    You're not entitled to any particular living space.

    However in terms of options?

    Inquiring with friends and family if they have any space that you could stay in.

    Inquire with friends, family, coworkers, or acquaintances if they'd like to go in on an apartment with you.

    Look around for people looking to rent out a room or level of their house for a fee.

    Look into a studio or one bedroom apartment rather than a two bedroom apartment.

    Post something up at local areas that have bulletin boards, such as Churches or perhaps a local Y, indicating you're looking for a roommate.

    All legitimate and practical ways besides leaping to your attempt to belittle my point by leaping to extremes as if they're the only other outcome beyond having your own two bedroom apartment.

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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Well zyphlin says no one is entitled to live in an apt alone...then your not entitled to cheap goods and services
    You're correct, he's not entitled to that. It doesn't change the fact that the repercussions he's speaking of are possibilities and would not just affect him but also those making the new minimum wage. Meaning, sure...they're getting more money. Their cost of living also has gone up, and the potential job opportunities have potential shrunk for them. We're not "entitled" to having a cheap goods and services, but that doesn't counter the argument he's making. Perhaps you should attempt to comprehend and understand my points before you parrot them in a way that they don't apply.

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