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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    You are right about not everybody is going to be rich and successful through hard work (but not going to college didn't stop me from busting my ass and owning my own business.I owned my first restaurant for 5 years before I even went to Le Cordon Bleu to get my degree in Culinary Arts) but that doesn't mean they can't be productive,develop a skill or hone their inborn talent and have a good living (that's what I did).
    If one wants to better ones life,there are legal and legitimate ways to do it without relying on an agency (the government) that not only does big things badly,but does small things just as bad.

    If a person is satisfied with living on minimum,I have no problem with that.If not the instead of bitching about it,do something about it.
    My wife and I owned several business...Im not making this comment about you..I dont know you or anything about you...but I love how everyone that owned a business tells me how they busted their ass..and how I know many of them that are full of crap
    Not everyone can own a business or start one...many arent smart enough or could never get the start money.
    Just think if everyone was well off...who would clean the toilets and cut the grass and raise the richs kids while they play

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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    The women are mostly vat-grown clones.

    Actually, I lived with a high-priced call girl during my time in SF. $600 for 90 minutes incall. I got sick and tired of not being able to go 50 feet without some homeless person asking me for money. I got tired of paying a fortune for a basic meal. I got tired of searching for a parking space. I hope I never set foot in SF again.

    And no, Miss Ho and I are no longer "special friends" which probably is the root of my bitterness.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    It certainly ain't cheap here. In my opinion it's worth the expense to live in a city with some of the best nightlife, restaurants, and cultural centers in the world. Not to mention the seemingly endless supply of smart, well-educated hot girls. I'm starting to suspect they grow them in a vat somewhere, then release them into the wild with a gym membership and a pair of yoga pants.

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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    You keep saying "no one can live on minimum wage". I've proven it's possible to do so in my area. You can change the goal posts, but it doesn't kill my argument. I used a specific scenario to show exactly why it IS possible in my area to live on minimum wage, and HOW it would be possible to do so.

    Minimum wage isn't designed nor intended for anybody anywhere to live comfortably. It's a wage floor designed so that MOST WORKERS can live comfortably. Most minimum wage jobs require very few expensive or hard-to-acquire skills, can be taught "on the job", and present little liability. They are jobs that can be easily filled and often have incredibly high turn over rates. In other words, they are not jobs designed for skilled, capable adults to fill long-term as a means of achieving some abstract financial solvency goal.

    As others in this thread have said: If you want to earn more than minimum wage, make yourself worth more than minimum wage by acquiring skills and developing your abilities.

    I began working in 2002 as a carphop at Sonic making $5.15/hour, 15 hours a week. Without a college education, without a network of "good buddy" types helping me advance, without a hand out I'm now the manager of my department, making almost 10x the yearly salary I averaged at Sonic. I did it through hard work, reliability, and learning.

    I've lived on my own since I was 19. I've never (as an adult) taken any kind of government aid except my education grants, which I earn through maintaining a high GPA (I'm required to keep a 3.6 average GPA to keep my aid).

    On the other hand, I have a friend in his 40s who works for Dominos delivering pizzas. In fact, he's never had a job much above that level. He's very smart, very capable, and has tons of marketable skills..but he's never cared enough about career success to apply himself to finding a higher paying job. Why the hell should I subsidize him? He made his choice. There's absolutely nothing holding him back except himself. You can't even blame it on the economy, because he's 40...he's been doing this since he was 16. He's ALWAYS sought easy, low-responsibility employment.

    Existing is not living...and I stand by in most of the country you cannot live meaning able to pay for all basic necessities...and try being a single mother on minimum wage...

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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    I lived in a hole in the road with twelve brothers and worked 25 hours a day at mill..... Not everyone is as capable as you, has the intellect, or the drive, whatever. Minimum wage might be an aspiration for some. A civilised society cares for those at the bottom.
    In the present economic climate, there will be many unemployed who are overqualified for minimum wage jobs, but have no option since that is the only work that's hiring.
    Saying that they should get off their ass and do something is caring. Not requiring someone to something to earn their way is a lot more damaging and a lot less caring than kicking them in the butt until they make something of themselves. Some learn discipline and ethics easily, others have to have it beat into them. If you truly care about them, you keep betting it into them until they learn.

    If they are not mentally disabled, then they have the intellect to learn a skill.

    If they don't have the drive, well tough titty, keep earning minimum wage and STFU, you chose it.

    If we didn't care, there wouldn't be so many opportunities. What we don't do is hold a gun to their head and make them do it. Too many feel sorry for them and don't kick them in the ass to motivate them.

    In the current economic climate, who gives a damned about over qualified. And after more than 4 years, if they haven't adjusted and learned a new marketable skill, well that was their choice, the opportunities are out there if they work for them. So they can suck it up and STFU also.

    If minimum wage is their aspiration, then hey, let them have it. If that hard of a life style is what they want, let them have it. And if it is, they can STFU too, it's what they wanted.

    As to your story about the mill, find a way, make yourself more valuable and succeed. Then you can sell you story to Hollywood on how you did it. If you are not trying to make a change and want the government to just hand you more, well, like everyone else, you, also can .....
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    I should also add that Vegas has NO shortage of restaurants, night-life, sexy girls (not necessarily smart though) and enough cultural venues. Plus, it's the easiest place to start a business and the cost of living is negligible compared to most other places.

    I moved here specifically for opportunity after visiting many other major cities (in 1973).



    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    It certainly ain't cheap here. In my opinion it's worth the expense to live in a city with some of the best nightlife, restaurants, and cultural centers in the world. Not to mention the seemingly endless supply of smart, well-educated hot girls. I'm starting to suspect they grow them in a vat somewhere, then release them into the wild with a gym membership and a pair of yoga pants.

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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I disagree, I think anyone who completes high school is capable of college level work.
    Community college classes are affordable to just about anyone.
    Even just putting some college on your resume can improve your chances.
    Taking a few specialize classes related to your area may even get you a career.
    If nothing else, anyone can wait tables, it teaches good people skills.
    In 1979 when the minimum wage was $2.65/hr, I waited tables at a pizza place
    for $1.90/hr, but would make about $25/6 hour shift in tips(and free Pizza).
    The real problems come when you have a family that is counting on you to provide.
    I have worked some UGLY jobs over the years, to make sure my kids were provided for.
    The good news is, the USA is truly the land of opportunity, hard work and a good attitude do pay off.
    It is the reason so many people still want to come here.
    Your saying that everyone graduates HS...listen there are high school graduates in McDonalds and they had to put pictures of hamburgers and soda and coffee because they couldnt negotiate the number keys to ring up the register. Nope nada not...many schools give the answers to the test to the students and many just give them diplomas and they cant write a coherent paragraph.
    Dear Lord so many of you live in this utopia where everything and everyone is just how you imagine they should be...there are no cookie cutter people...there are people that cant make it no matter how they tried...

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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    The women are mostly vat-grown clones.

    Actually, I lived with a high-priced call girl during my time in SF. $600 for 90 minutes incall. I got sick and tired of not being able to go 50 feet without some homeless person asking me for money. I got tired of paying a fortune for a basic meal. I got tired of searching for a parking space. I hope I never set foot in SF again.

    And no, Miss Ho and I are no longer "special friends" which probably is the root of my bitterness.
    What neighborhood were you living in? I'm asking because the homeless thing is really only an issue in certain parts of the city.

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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Existing is not living...and I stand by in most of the country you cannot live meaning able to pay for all basic necessities...and try being a single mother on minimum wage...
    You're moving the goal posts again. And a single mother on minimum wage would qualify for a "free" cell phone, rent assistance, food stamps, child care assistance, and possibly TANF.
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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I should also add that Vegas has NO shortage of restaurants, night-life, sexy girls (not necessarily smart though) and enough cultural venues. Plus, it's the easiest place to start a business and the cost of living is negligible compared to most other places.

    I moved here specifically for opportunity after visiting many other major cities (in 1973).
    Your also living in the middle of a desert. Here if it gets above 26C(79F) everything shuts down. One of the reasons I could never live in the U.S. let alone a desert, it's too damn hot.

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    Re: Can you live on Minimum Wage

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Being poor and living in an apartment - unthinkable.
    Buy an old run down house and fix her up, have but ONE minimum pay job.
    Plan ahead..
    Do not work at Walmart.
    Grow with a half decent company.
    Be greedy not.
    I have made these mistakes and I have done things correctly.
    When things go wrong, accept the responsibility - blame no-one.
    Not everyone can do what you can do...and there are people that cant buy breakfast how are they supposed to buy a house.

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