How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

[shiang]

The US ranks one of the highest in gun related deaths in the world, and of the top developed countries the highest.

Just google "gun related deaths by country" and find your own sources so as not to include my bias.

How long will it take before a law that's out dated by over 200 years be repealed?

The founding fathers had the intention of arming their militia against the British.

 

[Rainman05]

My estimates are about 60-80 years if the current trend continues because you know... people are willing to throw away their rights, freedoms and responsibilities for empty promises.

Besides, it will serve no purpose. Law-biding sane people don't get guns to do murders and if when they do have guns, they don't use them to kill people. And criminals will get guns regardless of whatever gun law there is because criminals, by their very nature, don't care about the laws.

 

[shiang]

You're nieve if you think people are rational as individuals.

Regarding your argument how do you explain the statistics?

Also I care more about those dead kids than your rights to have fun with a gun.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

The US ranks one of the highest in gun related deaths in the world, and of the top developed countries the highest.

Just google "gun related deaths by country" and find your own sources so as not to include my bias.

How long will it take before a law that's out dated by over 200 years be repealed?

The founding fathers had the intention of arming their militia against the British.

repeal?

There are numerous ways to improve the system and safety, etc etc etc - without impinging on the amendments.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

The US ranks one of the highest in gun related deaths in the world, and of the top developed countries the highest.

Just google "gun related deaths by country" and find your own sources so as not to include my bias.

How long will it take before a law that's out dated by over 200 years be repealed?

The founding fathers had the intention of arming their militia against the British.

The founding fathers had the intention of arming the populace against all threats.

Number of murders by guns do not matter, the only thing that matters is number of murders total, regardless of what was used. When you look at actual murders, the US ranks 107th in the world in murder rate.

You're nieve if you think people are rational as individuals.

Regarding your argument how do you explain the statistics?

Also I care more about those dead kids than your rights to have fun with a gun.

You're still operating under the assumption that making it illegal for law abiding citizens to have guns will save more people, when there in fact is no correlation. Switzerland has almost as many guns per head as we do, but their murder rate is a super small fraction of ours, and one of the lowest in the world. It doesn't have anything to do with guns, it has to do with our society, which we really need to work on.

 

[zimmer]

The US ranks one of the highest in gun related deaths in the world, and of the top developed countries the highest.

Just google "gun related deaths by country" and find your own sources so as not to include my bias.

How long will it take before a law that's out dated by over 200 years be repealed?

The founding fathers had the intention of arming their militia against the British.

When 800,000 Rwandans died due to machetes... did we hear an outcry to ban them?

What happened is very sad, but repealing the 2nd Amendment will make us less safe, not more. We will be at the mercy of criminals, and the most vulnerable... women... will be subjected to more barbaric behavior; namely rape.

If we repeal the 2nd Amendment, then we should abolish automobiles. 40,000 to 50,000 Americans die a year due to their use. Perhaps we should outlaw anal sex too; it's the superhighway to HIV AIDS. Perhaps we should outlaw alcohol... it leads to a lot of misery.

You want safe? Then outlaw everything that brings risk.

This tragedy will fall into the "never waste a crisis" moment for Obama and his crew. It seems we've had the signals already.

I did say weeks ago he wanted to inflict major damage on the 2nd Amendment... that's what fast & Furious was about. Did he weep when Mexicans were being slaughtered by guns his administration ran? No. They went into coverup mode.

What has happened is sad and comes at the worst of times, but it isn't reason to make our nation's citizens less safe and repeal their rights.

http://gunssavelives.net/

 

[molten_dragon]

It will never happen, and it wouldn't solve the problem if it did.

 

[haymarket]

I do not see this on the horizon any time in our future.

If a perfect storm of events happen down the road, I can see the day when the current interpretation that the gun lobby has successfully pushed for the meaning of the Amendment will be re-evaluated and changed in the minds of most Americans. Then we will begin to get different court decisions which will impact gun ownership but still allow the right to keep and bear arms.

 

[TheGirlNextDoor]

The US ranks one of the highest in gun related deaths in the world, and of the top developed countries the highest.

Just google "gun related deaths by country" and find your own sources so as not to include my bias.

How long will it take before a law that's out dated by over 200 years be repealed?

The founding fathers had the intention of arming their militia against the British.

Never.

I don't consider myself to be a 'gun nut', but I do own firearms. I use them for sport (shooting range) and they are locked safely away. I've obtained them legally and I have them for protection - IF NEED BE. I don't sleep with one next to me, I don't have them out in the open and my children (both teens) are well aware of safe gun handling protocol.

Some drugs are illegal in this United States, but yet people can get ahold of them if they want them. Making guns illegal to own (repealing the 2nd) is not the answer, as people with bad intentions will find a way to have them.

So sorry, but nobody is taking my firearms from me.

 

[earthworm]

My estimates are about 60-80 years if the current trend continues because you know... people are willing to throw away their rights, freedoms and responsibilities for empty promises.

Besides, it will serve no purpose. Law-biding sane people don't get guns to do murders and if when they do have guns, they don't use them to kill people. And criminals will get guns regardless of whatever gun law there is because criminals, by their very nature, don't care about the laws.

How about the right to walk down the street without a fear of being shot ?
And these law-abiding "sane" men, are they 20% of the population ? 40% ?....
A law with teeth in it will have an effect on the criminals.....

 

[Rainman05]

You're nieve if you think people are rational as individuals.

Regarding your argument how do you explain the statistics?

Also I care more about those dead kids than your rights to have fun with a gun.

Just because you are irrational doesn't mean everybody else is.

There are responsibilities that come with owning a gun. It is not a toy.
If you really care about children, you will first protest against the government providing ****ty education to children, dumbing them down, and then you will worry about gun rights of adults. The tragedy is that although kids got killed by bullets, a lot of the children that live grow up to be adults who are dead inside. That is where the real tragedy is. And it is even more tragic because you can't measure it in statistics. Only in real life experience.

Also, as I said, criminals don't care about the law. Making guns illegal won't stop people who don't care about the law from getting weapons. And psychopaths are even harder to stop because they don't care about consequences either.

 

[TheGirlNextDoor]

You're nieve if you think people are rational as individuals.

Regarding your argument how do you explain the statistics?

Also I care more about those dead kids than your rights to have fun with a gun.

Really? You care more about those children than peoples' rights? You have a funny way of showing it. Perhaps one could focus on school security (or any public segway) as compared to infringing upon anyone's rights.

As a mother of two children, it breaks my heart to hear about tragedies like the one that happened in Connecticut. As a former school district employee where I live, we had certain precautions that were taken to ensure the safety of our students and faculty to include crazy assed people wielding weapons of any strength.

I suggest the focus switch to safety and not focus on repealing an Amendment that wouldn't stop crazies from doing crazy things!

 

[Rainman05]

How about the right to walk down the street without a fear of being shot ?
And these law-abiding "sane" men, are they 20% of the population ? 40% ?....
A law with teeth in it will have an effect on the criminals.....

Law-biding sane individuals are the vast majority. Your numbers are warped and so is your perception of reality.

I said so before. If you have a legally purchased firearm and you shoot someone with it, and don't clean up after yourself very, very thoroughly, it is like dropping your ID card at the scene of the crime. because that is how forensic science works...

So don't fear being shot by normal, sane people. Fear the loonies. And loonies are very rare.

 

[earthworm]

The founding fathers had the intention of arming the populace against all threats.

Number of murders by guns do not matter, the only thing that matters is number of murders total, regardless of what was used. It doesn't have anything to do with guns, it has to do with our society, which we really need to work on.

Here I agree, and should our society be allowed to have so many guns, in this condition ?
I'd say maybe 30% are responsible and sane enough for gun ownership.
No to all the others...
Its insane to allow the even partially insane to own guns.

 

[earthworm]

Law-biding sane individuals are the vast majority.You may believe this, but I have doubts ...based on reality. Your numbers are warped and so is your perception of reality. I think not, but I do think that it will take 50 more mass murders for many to realize that things are not right here at home.

I said so before. If you have a legally purchased firearm and you shoot someone with it, and don't clean up after yourself very, very thoroughly, it is like dropping your ID card at the scene of the crime.This "ID card" may be one of the thigs that we need. because that is how forensic science works...

So don't fear being shot by normal, sane people. Fear the loonies. And loonies are very rare.

Yeah, tell that to those children who were murdered.

 

[ttwtt78640]

repeal?

There are numerous ways to improve the system and safety, etc etc etc - without impinging on the amendments.

Many say this sort of thing yet offer no specifics toward that end. The majority of those that want "change" simply prefer to chip away at the 2nd amendment using the logic that "scary guns" (anything that is magazine fed) can be relaoded "too fast" for their likes. Since "nut control" and "crime control" depend, primarily, on locking more people up, which is extremely expensive, the "easy way" is seen as limiting the freedom of all, in hopes that it will slow down crime. Few stop to think just what a "scary gun" ban would entail, especially with regard to those already legally owned. E.g. is my semi-auto .380 pistol "scary" because it is capable of firing 16 rounds without a reload? The term "assault weapon" and "assault rifle" are tossed around with very loose definitions.

 

[spud_meister]

How about the right to walk down the street without a fear of being shot ?

Carry a gun and learn how to use it. Criminals prefer unarmed targets.

 

[mak2]

The more responsible adults with firearms, the less crime. The real problem in this case is mental health.

 

[TheGirlNextDoor]

How about the right to walk down the street without a fear of being shot ?
And these law-abiding "sane" men, are they 20% of the population ? 40% ?....
A law with teeth in it will have an effect on the criminals.....

How many times have you walked down the street in actual fear that you'd be shot?

I never have. :s

 

[ttwtt78640]

How about the right to walk down the street without a fear of being shot ?
And these law-abiding "sane" men, are they 20% of the population ? 40% ?....
A law with teeth in it will have an effect on the criminals.....

Do our recreational drug laws "with teeth" (look at our prison population - ranked very high in the world as well) work to keep them off the streets? Creating more unarmed crime victims is not the answer to stopping crime.

 

[Fisher]

We can just attach language banning abortion to any amendment and it will never pass as the liberals would always protect their right to kill unborn babies at will over stopping a handful of mass murder deaths. The Second Amendment Won, Get Over It, Time To Move On.

 

[Thrilla]

How about the right to walk down the street without a fear of being shot ?
And these law-abiding "sane" men, are they 20% of the population ? 40% ?....
A law with teeth in it will have an effect on the criminals.....

if you walk down the street in fear of getting shot, I suggest you move or ....arm yourself.

the number of law abiding sane folks who don't get guns to murder people is in excess of 99%, in case you were wondering.


a law with teeth in it will have an effect huh?.... well... how does "execution" rate on the "teeth" scale?.. how about life imprisonment?

yeah, well...those "teeth" are ignored by people who commit murder or mass murder.... do you think they will magically pay attention to the next law with "teeth"?

 

[TheGirlNextDoor]

if you walk down the street in fear of getting shot, I suggest you move or ....arm yourself.

the number of law abiding sane folks who don't get guns to murder people is in excess of 99%, in case you were wondering.


a law with teeth in it will have an effect huh?.... well... how does "execution" rate on the "teeth" scale?.. how about life imprisonment?

yeah, well...those "teeth" are ignored by people who commit murder or mass murder.... do you think they will magically pay attention to the next law with "teeth"?

I agree. If the "law with teeth" deters someone from going on a killing rampage, then the death penalty would be just as an effective deterrent - and it's not. The death penalty is a just punishment for certain crimes... definitely not a deterrent, otherwise, we would have nobody on death row.

A tougher law regarding firearm ownership is NOT going to deter those who have heinous criminal mindsets or the criminally insane from carrying out their sick and twisted crime sprees.

 

[Rainman05]

Yeah, tell that to those children who were murdered.

50 more mass murders... there weren't even 50 mass shootings this year. But here is a map of them. I googled it so you don't have to.

140 people were murderers... and they obtained over half of their weapons legally. 140 people out of 100+mil people who own guns. Do you know what that is?
100.000.000/140 = 0.000001%

That is how many bad people who own guns were this year. So that means that 99.9999% gun owners are responsible people. Not the 30-40% that you were talking about. And you can be thankful i didn't slice that 140 people down because only half the weapons were legally obtained. But I said that everybody had legally obtained guns to boost your "reality".

A Guide to Mass Shootings in America | Mother Jones

Ok, so, this is the map of the mass shootings that happened this year.

 

[Thrilla]

The US ranks one of the highest in gun related deaths in the world, and of the top developed countries the highest.

Just google "gun related deaths by country" and find your own sources so as not to include my bias.

How long will it take before a law that's out dated by over 200 years be repealed?

The founding fathers had the intention of arming their militia against the British.

how long will it take?... well... are we counting the time it will take to actually repeal it.. or the time for the repeal effort to fail?
the former will take more years than any of us have left on this earth... the latter can happen rather quickly