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How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

When do you think the 2nd amendment will be repealed?

  • within the year

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • next year

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 5

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 5-10

    Votes: 4 5.2%
  • 10-20

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 20-50

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 50+

    Votes: 2 2.6%
  • Never, things are fine as is

    Votes: 41 53.2%
  • Never, too many stupid people in this country

    Votes: 9 11.7%
  • We should have less gun laws and arm everyone to protect them selves!?!?!?!?

    Votes: 21 27.3%

  • Total voters
    77
It takes real willful ignorance to think that the crime in a large city, is somehow comparable to a state with more space meant for cattle than people. Population density and criminal propensity are directly related, your argument is tantamount to me saying Canada has less crime than Miami therefore the heat causes crime.
 
Cars gets us places, Sex produces future generations. What has guns done?

Saved lives.

You see... Communists denied their populace guns. Why would that be? What was the result? Tens upon tens of millions dead.

Guns are the best friends of women. When some barbarian wants to rape a women and she is armed... his chances of success are reduced.

Guns protect homes. That's why Canada has far more break-ins. Criminals know those in the houses are not armed.

Guns save lives. If someone or several people had a firearm at that school, they might have saved lives.

Guns save lives. You just don't hear it on the news every evening.
 
How about "never because literally nobody is suggesting we do that."
 
How about "never because literally nobody is suggesting we do that."

The truth is too easy, we need something to fight about.
 
The US ranks one of the highest in gun related deaths in the world, and of the top developed countries the highest.

Just google "gun related deaths by country" and find your own sources so as not to include my bias.

How long will it take before a law that's out dated by over 200 years be repealed?

The founding fathers had the intention of arming their militia against the British.


I've posted information on this forum, with links, proving that over half the nations in the world have higher, often FAR higher (as in more than 10x) homicide rates as the USA... but only have a fraction as many privately owned guns as we do.

I can post it again if need be. Guns are not the problem. People are.
 
Cars gets us places, Sex produces future generations. What has guns done?


Probably saved my life at least twice; possibly saved my Dad's life; protected my parent's house from an intruder; ran off a pair of drug-flipouts that were menacing my niece; wounded a home invader who went into my neighbor's house in the daytime about a year ago, causing him to be caught by police later...


I could go on but you get the point.

Or maybe you don't... :shrug:
 
So 90% are dedicated gun lovers here - or at least this poll..
And I am correct, it will take another 50 years of mass murders for any change to occur.
sad
 
So 90% are dedicated gun lovers here - or at least this poll..
And I am correct, it will take another 50 years of mass murders for any change to occur.
sad


True, people are pretty dense as a rule. It may well take 50 years of more mass shooting before people realize that "gun free zones" are seen as "unarmed victims available here!" to nutjobs, and that the best way to stop an active shooter is to shoot him.


Very sad indeed.
 
So 90% are dedicated gun lovers here - or at least this poll..
And I am correct, it will take another 50 years of mass murders for any change to occur.
sad

Well, tell your administration to keep working on it then........
 
The US ranks one of the highest in gun related deaths in the world, and of the top developed countries the highest.

Just google "gun related deaths by country" and find your own sources so as not to include my bias.

How long will it take before a law that's out dated by over 200 years be repealed?

The founding fathers had the intention of arming their militia against the British.

The British had been defeated 8 years earlier and you really don't seem to have any idea why the 2nd was put in place...

It will probably never be repealed nor should it. To even consider it displays a level of ignorance that is staggering.
 
Lets begin with not allowing guns to be privately owned unless there presents a need.

There is a need. To protect oneself or one's family from harm intended by others. That is the only need that is relevant.

You just shot down your entire argument in one fell swoop. Well done. :lol:

Cars gets us places, Sex produces future generations. What has guns done?

Protected countless people from rape, robbery and death, for starters. Isn't that a good enough reason or do you condone these actions?

And once you get the 2nd repealed which one is next? The 1st Amendment?

You are seting an extremely dangerous precendent and one that is extremely unAmerican.
 
The ever playful loons like to word their posts in such a way that an impossible basic assumption is simply bypassed and we are now on step 2.

For instance the OP gave the impression that it was a foregone conclusion that the 2nd Amendment would be repealed, Children, let's now all discuss when.

It's NEVER going to be repealed because it's far more than a historic writing, it is in the heart of the American people! Dream on. Better yet, leave the country and stop annoying the Americans.
 
I just heard the major supplier Brownells sold out of 3.5 years magazine inventory in 72 hours.
 
So 90% are dedicated gun lovers here - or at least this poll..
And I am correct, it will take another 50 years of mass murders for any change to occur.
sad


So we should change the law just because mass murders occur?

We used to have duels in the street. This nation has a long history of blood being spilled. It's part of who we are.
 
So we should change the law just because mass murders occur?

We used to have duels in the street. This nation has a long history of blood being spilled. It's part of who we are.

As people... not just as American's.

ENGLAND

The Dunblane school massacre occurred at Dunblane Primary School in the Scottish town of Dunblane on 13 March 1996. The gunman, 43-year-old Thomas Hamilton (b. 10 May 1952), entered the school armed with four handguns, shooting and killing sixteen children and one adult before committing suicide.

The Hungerford massacre occurred in Hungerford, Berkshire, England, on 19 August 1987. The gunman, 27-year-old Michael Robert Ryan (b. 18 May 1960), armed with two semi-automatic rifles and a handgun, shot and killed sixteen people including his mother, and wounded fifteen others, then fatally shot himself.

The Cumbria shootings was a killing spree that occurred on 2 June 2010 when a lone gunman, Derrick Bird, killed 12 people and injured 11 others before killing himself in Cumbria, England.

FRANCE

Three schoolchildren and a teacher were murdered in an anti-Jewish terror attack

GERMANY

The Winnenden school shooting occurred on the morning of 11 March 2009 at a secondary school in Winnenden, Baden-Württemberg, in southwestern Germany, followed by a shootout at a car dealership in nearby Wendlingen. The shooting spree resulted in 16 deaths, including the suicide of the perpetrator, 17-year-old Tim Kretschmer, who had graduated from the school one year earlier. Another 11 persons were injured during the incident

Bastian Bosse, an 18-year-old male and former student had fired shots with a front loader and a sawed-off shotgun on campus, threw a molotov cocktail outside the school and lit a pipe bomb upon arrival of the police before committing suicide. The incident ended with no fatalities and 37 people injured, including 19 students (three girls and one boy of which suffered gunshot wounds), one teacher, 16 police officers (all from smoke inhalation), and the custodian who was shot in the abdomen inside the school.

The Erfurt massacre was a school shooting that occurred on April 26, 2002, at the Johann Gutenberg Gymnasium in Erfurt, Germany. Sixteen people were killed before the perpetrator committed suicide. The victims comprised 13 school staff (12 teachers and one administrator), two students and one police officer. Only one other person was injured

SWEDEN

This was the first reported School shooting in Sweden and one of the earliest in Europe. Seven youngsters were wounded by 15 bullets fired by the perpetrator and one died from his wounds.

GREECE

The OAED Vocational College shooting was a school shooting that occurred on April 10, 2009, at the Manpower Employment Organisation of Greece (OAED) vocational college in Agios Ioannis Rentis, Athens, Greece, during which a gunman shot one student and two civilians before fatally shooting himself in a nearby park.

FINLAND

Two students were fatally shot by a 14-year-old student at the Raumanmeri secondary school. The shooter had claimed to be a victim of bullying

The incident resulted in the deaths of nine people: five male students (ages 16–18) and one female adult student (age 25) the school principal, Helena Kalmi (age 61); the school nurse (age 43); and the gunman, Auvinen, himself, who was also one of the school's students. One other person suffered gunshot wounds, and eleven people were injured by shattering glass while escaping from the school building.

The Kauhajoki school shooting occurred on September 23, 2008, at Seinäjoki University of Applied Sciences in Western Finland. The gunman, 22-year-old hospitality management student Matti Juhani Saari (May 20, 1986 - September 23, 2008) shot and fatally injured ten people with a semi-automatic pistol, before shooting himself in the head. He died a few hours later in Tampere University Hospital. One woman was injured but was in a stable condition

DENMARK

On Tuesday, 5 April 1994 35-year-old Flemming Nielsen of Silkeborg shot four people, two of them fatally, at Aarhus University in Denmark. Nielsen had been a student at the university since 1986. He opened fire with a sawed-off shotgun in a university cafeteria where he killed his first victim, 24-year-old Birgit Bohn Wolfsen. The remaining students in the room managed to escape. Nielsen proceeded into another cafeteria and opened fire again, killing his second victim, 27-year-old Randi Thode Kristensen. Another two people were wounded but survived

AUSTRALIA

The La Trobe University shooting was a shooting that took place in the Eagle Bar at La Trobe University Melbourne, Victoria, Australia on 3 August 1999 in which one man was killed and a woman was seriously injured.

The Monash University shooting refers to a shooting in which a student shot his classmates and teacher, killing two and injuring five. It took place at Monash University in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia on 21 October 2002.

INDIA

The Euro International school shooting occurred on December 12, 2007 at Euro International, a private secondary school in Gurgaon, Haryana, India. The gunmen were 14-year-old Akash Yadav and 13-year-old Vikas Yadav, who were both students at the school, shot and killed a 14-year-old student

ARGENTINA

Four students killed and five wounded by a 15-year-old student in a town 620 miles south of Buenos Aires

THAILAND

The Pak Phanang school shooting was a school shooting that occurred on June 6, 2003 at the Pak Phanang school in Nakhon Si Thammarat, Thailand. The gunman, then 17-year-old Anatcha Boonkwan (a.k.a "Nung") fatally shot two and injured four of his fellow students using a semi-automatic pistol. This was apparently due to him having argued with classmate Sicharat Kumsuk, who was his actual target.

CANADA

The Dawson College shooting occurred on September 13, 2006, at Dawson College, a CEGEP in Westmount near downtown Montreal, Quebec. The perpetrator, Kimveer Gill, began shooting outside the de Maisonneuve Boulevard entrance to the school, and moved towards the atrium by the cafeteria on the main floor.[15][16]
One victim died at the scene, while another 19 were injured, eight of whom were listed in critical condition with six requiring surgery

The W. R. Myers High School shooting occurred on April 28, 1999, at W. R. Myers High School in Taber, Alberta, when a 14-year-old walked into his school and randomly shot at three students, killing Jason Lang and injuring another

The Concordia University massacre was a school shooting on August 24, 1992, that resulted in the deaths of four people at Concordia University in Montreal, Quebec. The shooter was Dr. Valery Fabrikant, a former Associate Professor of mechanical engineering at Concordia and a colleague of the slain men

The École Polytechnique Massacre, also known as the Montreal Massacre, occurred on December 6, 1989, at the École Polytechnique in Montreal, Quebec. Twenty-five-year-old Marc Lépine, armed with a legally obtained semi-automatic rifle and a hunting knife, shot 28 people, killing 14 (all of them women) and injuring the other 14 before killing himself

The Brampton Centennial Secondary School massacre was a school shooting, which occurred at Brampton Centennial Secondary School in Brampton, Ontario. 16-year-old gunman Michael Slobodian shot and killed a fellow student, a teacher and injured 13 other students before turning the gun on himself and committing suicide in a school hallway. It was the first school shooting in Canada.

The St. Pius X High School shooting was a school shooting that occurred on October 27, 1975, at St. Pius X High School in Ottawa, Ontario. Robert Poulin, an 18-year-old St. Pius student, opened fire on his classmates with a shotgun killing one and wounding five before turning the gun on himself and committing suicide. Poulin had raped and stabbed his 17-year-old friend Kim Rabot to death prior to the incident. A book entitled Rape of a Normal Mind was written about the incident

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting#Europe
 
I just heard the major supplier Brownells sold out of 3.5 years magazine inventory in 72 hours.

AR's are flying off the shelves too. Now there are more of them out there thanks to the anti-gunner's running their mouths about their bad ideas, scaring the law abiding into getting what they can before a ban.
 
My estimates are about 60-80 years if the current trend continues because you know... people are willing to throw away their rights, freedoms and responsibilities for empty promises.

Besides, it will serve no purpose. Law-biding sane people don't get guns to do murders and if when they do have guns, they don't use them to kill people. And criminals will get guns regardless of whatever gun law there is because criminals, by their very nature, don't care about the laws.

You are right good people don't get guns for murder but that doesn't change the fact that they have put themselves at risk by having them. We need to limit that risk with sane laws that protect good people from bad outcomes simply because of gun ownership. Did you fight seatbelt laws too?
 
You are right good people don't get guns for murder but that doesn't change the fact that they have put themselves at risk by having them. We need to limit that risk with sane laws that protect good people from bad outcomes simply because of gun ownership. Did you fight seatbelt laws too?

What risk? Aside from having a more efficient means of suicide should I decide to, what risks have I exposed myself to as a gun owner?
 
What risk? Aside from having a more efficient means of suicide should I decide to, what risks have I exposed myself to as a gun owner?

Of course you don't know, you are not supposed to. It's bad for business

Data from a US mortality follow-back survey were analyzed to determine whether having a firearm in the home increases the risk of a violent death in the home and whether risk varies by storage practice, type of gun, or number of guns in the home. Those persons with guns in the home were at greater risk than those without guns in the home of dying from a homicide in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 1.9, 95% confidence interval: 1.1, 3.4). They were also at greater risk of dying from a firearm homicide, but risk varied by age and whether the person was living with others at the time of death. The risk of dying from a suicide in the home was greater for males in homes with guns than for males without guns in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 10.4, 95% confidence interval: 5.8, 18.9). Persons with guns in the home were also more likely to have died from suicide committed with a firearm than from one committed by using a different method (adjusted odds ratio = 31.1, 95% confidence interval: 19.5, 49.6). Results show that regardless of storage practice, type of gun, or number of firearms in the home, having a gun in the home was associated with an increased risk of firearm homicide and firearm suicide in the home.
Guns in the Home and Risk of a Violent Death in the Home: Findings from a National Study

Having a gun in your home significantly increases your risk of death — and that of your spouse and children.

And it doesn’t matter how the guns are stored or what type or how many guns you own.

If you have a gun, everybody in your home is more likely than your non-gun-owning neighbors and their families to die in a gun-related accident, suicide or homicide.

Furthermore, there is no credible evidence that having a gun in your house reduces your risk of being a victim of a crime. Nor does it reduce your risk of being injured during a home break-in.

The health risks of owning a gun are so established and scientifically non-controvertible that the American Academy of Pediatrics issued a policy statement in 2000 recommending that pediatricians urge parents to remove all guns from their homes.

http://www.minnpost.com/second-opinion/2012/12/health-risk-having-gun-home
 
Of course you don't know, you are not supposed to. It's bad for business

lol @ you presuming to tell me something I don't know, then going on to produce commonly debunked tripe.


That ONLY because the suicide rate in America is higher than the homicide rate, suicides had to be factored in else no increased risk.

I am more likely to shoot myself than be shot by another, which has nothing to do with the inherent risks of firearms and has more to do with suicide in society.
 
lol @ you presuming to tell me something I don't know, then going on to produce commonly debunked tripe.



That ONLY because the suicide rate in America is higher than the homicide rate, suicides had to be factored in else no increased risk.

I am more likely to shoot myself than be shot by another, which has nothing to do with the inherent risks of firearms and has more to do with suicide in society.

You don't think that mother in Newton increased HER risk of being murdered by having those weapons in the home? Of course she did.
Your risk is greater too, you just are too hooked to realize it. The word is getting out though and gun ownership is declining because of it.
 
You look at only criminal statistics and maybe suicidal stats in the US and ignore the world. The founders came here from that world and bestowed upon you,
me and every American the right to defend ourselves from tyrany. Why, when you see that tyranny exists and kills so wantonly do you want to ignore history
and give that up? Tyrants in the world lead by leftists have killed 10's of millions of people - 100 times as many as have died at the hands to illegal gun use
in the United States. Is ignorance really that bliss?


You don't think that mother in Newton increased HER risk of being murdered by having those weapons in the home? Of course she did.
Your risk is greater too, you just are too hooked to realize it. The word is getting out though and gun ownership is declining because of it.
 
The US ranks one of the highest in gun related deaths in the world, and of the top developed countries the highest.

Just google "gun related deaths by country" and find your own sources so as not to include my bias.

How long will it take before a law that's out dated by over 200 years be repealed?

The founding fathers had the intention of arming their militia against the British.

Its not a law. Its a Right. And Rights cannot be repealed.
 
You are right good people don't get guns for murder but that doesn't change the fact that they have put themselves at risk by having them. We need to limit that risk with sane laws that protect good people from bad outcomes simply because of gun ownership. Did you fight seatbelt laws too?

The sane people don't put themselves at risk when having guns and knowing how to maintain them. The depressive-maniacs do... because they shoot themselves to end their depressive maniacy.

Seatbelt laws are good, but they are insufficient. Seatbelts = guns. they are means of protecting one-self against bad events.
 
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