View Poll Results: When do you think the 2nd amendment will be repealed?

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  • within the year

    1 0.83%
  • next year

    2 1.65%
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  • 5-10

    4 3.31%
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  • Never, things are fine as is

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  • Never, too many stupid people in this country

    15 12.40%
  • We should have less gun laws and arm everyone to protect them selves!?!?!?!?

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Thread: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

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    Re: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    This is what you said



    So, according to your logic, as long as one can exercise one's right to keep and bear any arm (such as a quarterstaff), one is being protected by the Second Amendment. As long as the law does not negate that right (to keep and bear a quarterstaff), anything else could be permissible under the Constitution (up to and including a ban on all other weapons, including all firearms).
    No. that is according to your logic.
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    Re: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    No. that is according to your logic.
    No - it's not. It's what you yourself said.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    As long as you can exercise your right to keep and bear arms, you are being protected by the Second Amendment. As long as the law does not negate that right, anything else could be permissible under the Constitution.
    So my question to you is this: Is a quarterstaff an arm? How about a sword?

    If the answer is yes, then as long as we are permitted to keep and bear a quarterstaff or a sword, then anything else could be permissible under the 2nd amendment. "Anything else" could mean all other weapons than those permitted are banned.

    Why are you so afraid to stand behind your statement? Do you deny that a person with a quarterstaff can be said to be enjoying his right to keep and bear arms?

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    Re: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    No - it's not. It's what you yourself said.



    So my question to you is this: Is a quarterstaff an arm? How about a sword?

    If the answer is yes, then as long as we are permitted to keep and bear a quarterstaff or a sword, then anything else could be permissible under the 2nd amendment. "Anything else" could mean all other weapons than those permitted are banned.

    Why are you so afraid to stand behind your statement? Do you deny that a person with a quarterstaff can be said to be enjoying his right to keep and bear arms?
    You seem to have made a fatal error in both what you like to call logic and in judgment. You seem to believe that I personally have the power to make those sort of decisions. Sorry, but I do not. Nor have I given them much thought as to what the limits should be.

    A nuclear weapons is an arm by the logic you are employing. But we all know that you are not allowed to have one. As a people, we make those decisions all the time. This would be no different.

    You do realize that is how laws are passed don't you and that I personally do not have that power?
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    Re: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    That map isn't for this year. It covers mass shootings since 1982 and over that period some gun owners have passed away and others have become owners so the number of owners to consider is even higher than the 100 million you used which makes the percentage even less.

    The horror of this situation is much like that of a plane crash. People see a big number pop up all at once and it freaks them out while the reality is that on the whole we are a very safe society.
    Right.
    Well I was working in quite a haste and may have missed out on some info. So yes, the % is even less than that and indeed, all western nations are quite very, very safe nations. The greatest threat to our safety is indeed, the media which keeps bloating up stories and making reality seem much more horrifying than it... making people want "tougher laws" and having everybody suffer due to it.

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    Re: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You seem to have made a fatal error in both what you like to call logic and in judgment. You seem to believe that I personally have the power to make those sort of decisions. Sorry, but I do not. Nor have I given them much thought as to what the limits should be.

    A nuclear weapons is an arm by the logic you are employing. But we all know that you are not allowed to have one. As a people, we make those decisions all the time. This would be no different.

    You do realize that is how laws are passed don't you and that I personally do not have that power?
    I have made no fatal error. Of course I don't think you personally have he power to make those sorts of decision. We were simply discussing your opinion, remember?

    Remember, I asked you:

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    So, what measures, in your estimation, do not infringe or encroach on 2nd amendment rights, but are still opposed by the gun lobby?
    And you gave your opinion:

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    As long as you can exercise your right to keep and bear arms, you are being protected by the Second Amendment. As long as the law does not negate that right, anything else could be permissible under the Constitution.
    So I'll ask you again, Is a quarterstaff an arm? How about a sword?

    If they are, then based upon your response above, as long as we are allowed to have a quarterstaff we can be said to be enjoying our right to keep and bear arms, and anything else could be permissible.

    A person with a quarterstaff could be said to be enjoying his right to keep and bear arms, correct?

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    Re: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You seem to have made a fatal error in both what you like to call logic and in judgment. You seem to believe that I personally have the power to make those sort of decisions. Sorry, but I do not. Nor have I given them much thought as to what the limits should be.

    A nuclear weapons is an arm by the logic you are employing. But we all know that you are not allowed to have one. As a people, we make those decisions all the time. This would be no different.

    You do realize that is how laws are passed don't you and that I personally do not have that power?
    WRONG, one could keep a nuke but not bear it.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    If we have a string of fatal stabbings, are we going to ban knives? Do I eat steak with my bare hands then?
    Yes, and we are coming for powertools next, better get those projects done soon. You think I am on the left because I want guns banned? No plexiglas is where I put all of my investments and I won't stop till all houses have padded walls and Plexiglas windows.

    Actually, plenty of states already outlaw pocket knives with blades over 2" but, that doesnt stop people from carrying them. So the usual argument against gun control is already in place for them.

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    Re: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    So I'll ask you again, Is a quarterstaff an arm? How about a sword?
    That would be up to the peoples government to decide.
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    Re: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That would be up to the peoples government to decide.
    A person with a quarterstaff could be said to be enjoying his right to keep and bear arms, correct?

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    Re: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    A person with a quarterstaff could be said to be enjoying his right to keep and bear arms, correct?
    Or a man with a percussion cap black powder gun. So long as you have that gun you can't accuse anyone of denying you the right to bear an arm.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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