View Poll Results: When do you think the 2nd amendment will be repealed?

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  • within the year

    1 0.83%
  • next year

    2 1.65%
  • 5

    3 2.48%
  • 5-10

    4 3.31%
  • 10-20

    1 0.83%
  • 20-50

    1 0.83%
  • 50+

    4 3.31%
  • Never, things are fine as is

    60 49.59%
  • Never, too many stupid people in this country

    15 12.40%
  • We should have less gun laws and arm everyone to protect them selves!?!?!?!?

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Thread: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

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    Re: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    anyways, now we know you are uninterested in factual and accurate information.. we can move along.
    All you have done is to intentionally misrepresent nearly everything I wrote so you can attack it and keep the NRA gun lobby line in place.

    I provided definitions for you and then you have the gall to claim I failed to present factual information. Why are you lying? Why are you lying over and over and over again?
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    Re: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The NRA are a bunch of gun-control loving pussies.
    this is a far more accurate representation of the NRA than what Haymarket has given us.

    the NRA has authored, lobbied for, and supported tons of gun control measures... that is fact.

    the notion that they are extremists that oppose any and all gun control measures is ..well... a lie... a myth... a complete and utter falsehood.

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    Re: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    this is a far more accurate representation of the NRA than what Haymarket has given us.

    the NRA has authored, lobbied for, and supported tons of gun control measures... that is fact.

    the notion that they are extremists that oppose any and all gun control measures is ..well... a lie... a myth... a complete and utter falsehood.
    We get it. The NRA is a right wing organization that subscribes to a false interpretation of the actual wording of the Second Amendment but that is still not extreme enough for some here.

    Yup - we get it loud and clear.

    And then some wonder why LIBERTARIANS cannot even get 1% of the vote at election time. Extremism such as this is the answer.
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    Re: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    My thoughts on this issue are based on a reading of what I believe the average American thinks about the issue. It could be right or wrong or partially right or partially wrong, but it is based on 63 years as an American.

    I believe that most people want the right to keep and bear arms. They want this for personal protection, for home protection, for business protection, or for sport and recreational use. As such, they distinguish between firearms that are necessary to do that and powerful weapons often described by some as military or assault weapons. And please spare me and all of us a pedantic discussion about how to define such things.

    People will support reasonable things that protect the right and also do not simply allow technology to dictate our size and scope of weaponry.

    I really do NOT think the average person has a firearm to aid them when they have to someday fight a totalitarian government house by house and block by block in the streets of America. Sorry. That is a delusional paranoid mental construct of those on the far right and their use of it to justify matching the military and police in weaponry is just BS of the worst sort.

    The NRA and the gun lobby has falsely interpreted the Second Amendment to mean that any limit at all on arms is unconstitutional. Please look up the meaning of the word INFRINGED as it was used 200 years ago.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/gun-co...-194-a-48.html
    see posts #476 and 483

    It DID NOT mean what the nra wants it to mean to them today. INFRINGED meant a destruction of the right...... not any incremental obligation it might place upon in regards to use of firearms.

    As long as the NRA insists on that erroneous and false interpretation of the term, the enitre issue is hopelessly skewed in their favor. I do not think the average American accepts that false interpretation.
    So, what measures, in your estimation, do not infringe or encroach on 2nd amendment rights, but are still opposed by the gun lobby?

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    Re: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    All you have done is to intentionally misrepresent nearly everything I wrote so you can attack it and keep the NRA gun lobby line in place.

    I provided definitions for you and then you have the gall to claim I failed to present factual information. Why are you lying? Why are you lying over and over and over again?
    sorry, at the time i hit "quote" you had not entered in your link to your definition argument.....

    after looking at the link you provided for the old definition.. and looking at the new definition( a few different sources)... I fail to find your argument compelling.. whatsoever.
    I find no substantial difference between the definitions.

    those "incremental obligations" you claim are not infringements.... what examples can you provide?


    the logical conclusion of your argument here is that a right can be incrementally violated... and it wouldn't qualify for being considered as "infringed upon" as it was not crushed ( medievil latin)
    i'm afraid you will find little support for your ill thought out and ill supported argument.

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    Re: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    We get it. The NRA is a right wing organization that subscribes to a false interpretation of the actual wording of the Second Amendment but that is still not extreme enough for some here.

    Yup - we get it loud and clear.

    And then some wonder why LIBERTARIANS cannot even get 1% of the vote at election time. Extremism such as this is the answer.
    it's not my fault, or the fault of libertarians, that you are passing on factually incorrect information... the fault lies with you and you alone.

    the proper course of action is to correct your false information... not to lash out like a child.

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    Re: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by shiang View Post
    You're nieve if you think people are rational as individuals.

    Regarding your argument how do you explain the statistics?

    Also I care more about those dead kids than your rights to have fun with a gun.
    What about my right to defend me and my wife from an attacker,or my daughter's right to defend herself from a rapist?


    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    Since having a C&C permit and a legal handgun is what kept my and my wife from getting robbed by some knife wielding methhead a few years back,and my oldest daughter owning a hand gun saved her my eldest daughter from being raped, (her assailant is doing 25 years at Angola State Pen.confined to a wheelchair courtesy of my daughter's handgun.) I'm going to vote no on making handguns illegal.
    Once a person is successful using an excuse to take away peoples Constitutional Rights,what's to stop them from trying to use other excuses to take away more Constitutional Rights from other people.

    People with good intentions can be just as dangerous and destructive as a madman with a gun.

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    Re: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post

    after looking at the link you provided for the old definition.. and looking at the new definition( a few different sources)... I fail to find your argument compelling.. whatsoever.
    I find no substantial difference between the definitions.
    Self imposed belief based on extremist ideology will do that to you.
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    Re: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    So, what measures, in your estimation, do not infringe or encroach on 2nd amendment rights, but are still opposed by the gun lobby?
    As long as you can exercise your right to keep and bear arms, you are being protected by the Second Amendment. As long as the law does not negate that right, anything else could be permissible under the Constitution.
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    Re: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    it's not my fault, or the fault of libertarians, that you are passing on factually incorrect information... the fault lies with you and you alone.

    the proper course of action is to correct your false information... not to lash out like a child.
    NO. You lied about the contents of my post. Pure and simple.
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