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How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

When do you think the 2nd amendment will be repealed?

  • within the year

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • next year

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 5

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 5-10

    Votes: 4 5.2%

  • 10-20

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 20-50

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 50+

    Votes: 2 2.6%

  • Never, things are fine as is

    Votes: 41 53.2%

  • Never, too many stupid people in this country

    Votes: 9 11.7%

  • We should have less gun laws and arm everyone to protect them selves!?!?!?!?

    Votes: 21 27.3%
  • Total voters
    77
haymarket said:
You seem to have made a fatal error in both what you like to call logic and in judgment. You seem to believe that I personally have the power to make those sort of decisions. Sorry, but I do not. Nor have I given them much thought as to what the limits should be.

A nuclear weapons is an arm by the logic you are employing. But we all know that you are not allowed to have one. As a people, we make those decisions all the time. This would be no different.

You do realize that is how laws are passed don't you and that I personally do not have that power?
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WRONG, one could keep a nuke but not bear it.
 
Gipper said:
If we have a string of fatal stabbings, are we going to ban knives? Do I eat steak with my bare hands then?
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Yes, and we are coming for powertools next, better get those projects done soon. You think I am on the left because I want guns banned? No plexiglas is where I put all of my investments and I won't stop till all houses have padded walls and Plexiglas windows.

Actually, plenty of states already outlaw pocket knives with blades over 2" but, that doesnt stop people from carrying them. So the usual argument against gun control is already in place for them.
 
haymarket said:
That would be up to the peoples government to decide.
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A person with a quarterstaff could be said to be enjoying his right to keep and bear arms, correct?
 
Federalist said:
A person with a quarterstaff could be said to be enjoying his right to keep and bear arms, correct?
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Or a man with a percussion cap black powder gun. So long as you have that gun you can't accuse anyone of denying you the right to bear an arm.
 
Lachean said:
Or a man with a percussion cap black powder gun. So long as you have that gun you can't accuse anyone of denying you the right to bear an arm.
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Exactly, they would be in complete accord with the 2nd amendment, according to haymarket.
 
haymarket said:
According to you it would appear.
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No. Actually, that's according to you. Remember, you are the one who says that as long as a person is able to keep and bear arms, then the 2nd amendment was not being violated.

Your statement, not mine.
 
Federalist said:
No. Actually, that's according to you. Remember, you are the one who says that as long as a person is able to keep and bear arms, then the 2nd amendment was not being violated.

Your statement, not mine.
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Quote my post where I ran off at the mouth about quarter staffs or eighth staves or whatever the heck you were claiming.

You come up with a complete absurdity and then you try to sell it as my product. Get real.
 
haymarket said:
Quote my post where I ran off at the mouth about quarter staffs or eighth staves or whatever the heck you were claiming.

You come up with a complete absurdity and then you try to sell it as my product. Get real.
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Here is what you said:

haymarket said:
As long as you can exercise your right to keep and bear arms, you are being protected by the Second Amendment. As long as the law does not negate that right, anything else could be permissible under the Constitution.
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A quarterstaff is an arm. A person with a quarterstaff is bearing arms. Therefore, according to you, this person is being protected by the 2nd amendment, even if he is forbidden from owning any other weapon of any kind.

So now you are denying that a quarterstaff is an arm. Okay fine, how about a sword? A person carrying a sword is certainly considered to be bearing arms, and he is exercising his right to keep and bear arms. In your opinion, he is being protected by the 2nd amendment, even if every other form of weapon is prohibited to him.
 
Federalist said:
Here is what you said:



A quarterstaff is an arm. A person with a quarterstaff is bearing arms. Therefore, according to you, this person is being protected by the 2nd amendment, even if he is forbidden from owning any other weapon of any kind.

So now you are denying that a quarterstaff is an arm. Okay fine, how about a sword? A person carrying a sword is certainly considered to be bearing arms, and he is exercising his right to keep and bear arms. .
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that is your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it.

I have not said a damn word about staffs of any measurement.
 
haymarket said:
that is your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it.

I have not said a damn word about staffs of any measurement.
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You said this:

haymarket said:
As long as you can exercise your right to keep and bear arms, you are being protected by the Second Amendment. As long as the law does not negate that right, anything else could be permissible under the Constitution.
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Well then perhaps you could tell everyone what exactly you did mean when you used the word "arms" in your quote above.
 
Federalist said:
You said this:



Well then perhaps you could tell everyone what exactly you did mean when you used the word "arms" in your quote above.
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I was speaking about firearms. If you want to include other things like these staffs you keep ranting about, that is all on you as I have never said a word about the issue.
 
haymarket said:
I was speaking about firearms. If you want to include other things like these staffs you keep ranting about, that is all on you as I have never said a word about the issue.
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Firearms huh. The amendment says "arms", not firearms. But no matter...

Okay, so a person carrying a flintlock muzzle loading musket can certainly be said to be enjoying his right to keep and bear arms. Therefore, according to you this person is being protected by the second amendment, even if he is barred from owning an other sort of firearm or even an additional musket.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
repeal?

There are numerous ways to improve the system and safety, etc etc etc - without impinging on the amendments.
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19th was repealed, it can be done.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
The founding fathers had the intention of arming the populace against all threats.

Number of murders by guns do not matter, the only thing that matters is number of murders total, regardless of what was used. When you look at actual murders, the US ranks 107th in the world in murder rate.


You're still operating under the assumption that making it illegal for law abiding citizens to have guns will save more people, when there in fact is no correlation. Switzerland has almost as many guns per head as we do, but their murder rate is a super small fraction of ours, and one of the lowest in the world. It doesn't have anything to do with guns, it has to do with our society, which we really need to work on.
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Number of murders by guns do not matter, the only thing that matters is number of murders total, regardless of what was used. When you look at actual murders, the US ranks

Being below average is acceptable?
Also if you look at more developed regions of the world such as Europe or Asia we look even worse.

I agree with the bettering society part. Lets begin with not allowing guns to be privately owned unless there presents a need. If you want to go hunt, you should go to a gun licensed range where guns are less accessible to those who wish to do harm. Not that I think killing animals for sport is all that glamorous to begin with.
 
zimmer said:
When 800,000 Rwandans died due to machetes... did we hear an outcry to ban them?

What happened is very sad, but repealing the 2nd Amendment will make us less safe, not more. We will be at the mercy of criminals, and the most vulnerable... women... will be subjected to more barbaric behavior; namely rape.

If we repeal the 2nd Amendment, then we should abolish automobiles. 40,000 to 50,000 Americans die a year due to their use. Perhaps we should outlaw anal sex too; it's the superhighway to HIV AIDS. Perhaps we should outlaw alcohol... it leads to a lot of misery.

You want safe? Then outlaw everything that brings risk.

This tragedy will fall into the "never waste a crisis" moment for Obama and his crew. It seems we've had the signals already.

I did say weeks ago he wanted to inflict major damage on the 2nd Amendment... that's what fast & Furious was about. Did he weep when Mexicans were being slaughtered by guns his administration ran? No. They went into coverup mode.

What has happened is sad and comes at the worst of times, but it isn't reason to make our nation's citizens less safe and repeal their rights.

Guns Save Lives - Stories of Self Defense
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Cars gets us places, Sex produces future generations. What has guns done?
 
TheGirlNextDoor said:
Never.

I don't consider myself to be a 'gun nut', but I do own firearms. I use them for sport (shooting range) and they are locked safely away. I've obtained them legally and I have them for protection - IF NEED BE. I don't sleep with one next to me, I don't have them out in the open and my children (both teens) are well aware of safe gun handling protocol.

Some drugs are illegal in this United States, but yet people can get ahold of them if they want them. Making guns illegal to own (repealing the 2nd) is not the answer, as people with bad intentions will find a way to have them.

So sorry, but nobody is taking my firearms from me.
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As you've seen in this case, the man took his mothers gun. If you want to go hunt or to a shooting range I think that's fine but should be kept by a licensed organization.
 
shiang said:
19th was repealed, it can be done.
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It can...but is HIGHLY improbable that one of the Bill of Rights will be repealed in our life time, sans the entire thing somehow being scrapped.
 
shiang said:
As you've seen in this case, the man took his mothers gun. If you want to go hunt or to a shooting range I think that's fine but should be kept by a licensed organization.
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By a licensed organization? Uh, no. It's kept in my home, in a safe... locked, UNloaded, ammo in a different safe, and well secured.

I am a responsible person. Does that mean everyone else is responsible? No. Don't punish me because someone else is a freaking idiot.
 
shiang said:
19th was repealed, it can be done.
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Sure, dude...any Amendment can be repealed....any Amendment can be enacted. Doesn't always mean they will, or should, be.

But when talking about one of the Bill Of Rights, you should take extra care when you want to think about messing with them.
 
shiang said:
The US ranks one of the highest in gun related deaths in the world, and of the
top developed countries the highest.

Just google "gun related deaths by country" and find your own sources so as not to include my bias.

How long will it take before a law that's out dated by over 200 years be repealed?

The founding fathers had the intention of arming their militia against the British.
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You libs have picked a battle that you're just not going to win this time.

Higher gun deaths ? What a generic goofy braod brushed statement.

Yes CRIMINALS shoot each other alot in the US.

Good riddance.

I encourage liberals to push full tilt with their newest and most retarded agenda driven objective yet.

Good luck
 
shiang said:
Cars gets us places, Sex produces future generations. What has guns done?[/
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Protect us from murderous thug entitlment minded liberals.

Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in America.

Hasn't stopped gun violence.
Texas, conceal carry.

Turns out criminals know where the law abiding public is armed and where they are not.
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