View Poll Results: When do you think the 2nd amendment will be repealed?

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  • within the year

    1 0.83%
  • next year

    2 1.65%
  • 5

    3 2.48%
  • 5-10

    4 3.31%
  • 10-20

    1 0.83%
  • 20-50

    1 0.83%
  • 50+

    4 3.31%
  • Never, things are fine as is

    60 49.59%
  • Never, too many stupid people in this country

    15 12.40%
  • We should have less gun laws and arm everyone to protect them selves!?!?!?!?

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    Re: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by shiang View Post
    You're nieve if you think people are rational as individuals.

    Regarding your argument how do you explain the statistics?

    Also I care more about those dead kids than your rights to have fun with a gun.
    And what gun law would have stopped the massacre?
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    Re: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by shiang View Post
    I don't even know where to start.

    Rights and laws? Rights are defined by laws.

    You can legally own a gun with minimal requirements because of the 2nd amendment. Go to most other developed nations and you won't find it so easy.
    No, Rights are not defined by laws. Rights are restricted by laws. There are more rights than those listed in the Bill of Rights.
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    Re: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by shiang View Post
    I should ask these questions.

    When you were a kid learning about the constitution for the first time. Which amendment seemed the most out of place to you?

    Those of you that support the 2nd amendment. Do you guys know the primary reason our founding fathers put it in place?
    1: When it came to the Bill of Rights none of them seemed out of place. Especially when you consider the history.

    2: There are three reasons that the Founding Fathers made the 2nd Amendment. The first reason can be found in the Declaration of Independence. That being the right of the people to over throw the government should that government ever become tyrannical. The second reason is that they believed that everyone had the right to defend themselves from harm. The third reason is that people had the right to hunt for food.
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    Re: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    It will never be "repealed" in America as we know it.

    It is a trigger issue. Meaning one that will inevitably lead to revolution/civil war, destroying what remains of the US in the process. It is not just repealing a law, but a right. If that right is assailable, then what right is not? Once anyone starts taking away rights, they have destroyed the very fabric of what makes America the country that it is.
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    Re: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    We get it. The NRA is a right wing organization that subscribes to a false interpretation of the actual wording of the Second Amendment but that is still not extreme enough for some here.

    Yup - we get it loud and clear.

    And then some wonder why LIBERTARIANS cannot even get 1% of the vote at election time. Extremism such as this is the answer.
    their interpretation is that the federal government cannot pass silly laws that are designed to harass honest people as a pretext for pretending to care about crime

    your interpretation is other than an outright ban on some guns, the government can do what ever the masses want?

    but what you have consistently failed to do is either discuss what laws, short of an outright ban are clearly unconstitutional (the 7th circuit ruled a ban on carrying guns is unconstitutional) or told us where the federal government PROPERLY was delegated the POWER to impose those silly restrictions that your posts appear to support

    finally, your posts suggest you see the NRA as an enemy to something--your party, your agenda or what?

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    Re: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by BMC COOLBEANS View Post
    And what gun law would have stopped the massacre?
    the one that got rid of gun free school zones

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    Re: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    their interpretation is that the federal government cannot pass silly laws that are designed to harass honest people as a pretext for pretending to care about crime

    your interpretation is other than an outright ban on some guns, the government can do what ever the masses want?

    but what you have consistently failed to do is either discuss what laws, short of an outright ban are clearly unconstitutional (the 7th circuit ruled a ban on carrying guns is unconstitutional) or told us where the federal government PROPERLY was delegated the POWER to impose those silly restrictions that your posts appear to support

    finally, your posts suggest you see the NRA as an enemy to something--your party, your agenda or what?
    Interesting that my plan announced a week ago is the same plan endorsed by the NRA..... what you call my enemy.

    It matters not to my position what the circuit court ruled - just like it mattered not to your position what you thought the second amendment meant before the Court ruled it was an individual right rather than one linked to the militia.

    And I agree that the government should not pass silly rules. We all want them to pass only wise and useful legislation to the benefit of America and the American people.

    As to what can they do short of a ban - I imagine that depends greatly on the combination of several things including the will of the people, the prevailing political and social environment of the day, the quality of representatives passing the legislation, the conditions facing the nation.... in other words ..... all the same factors which impact the passage of any legislation.
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    Re: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the one that got rid of gun free school zones
    And even that is not guaranteed.

    I mean.... this is a New England hand flopping state after all......
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    Re: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You don't think that mother in Newton increased HER risk of being murdered by having those weapons in the home? Of course she did.
    I never blame the victim, nor do I know that had she been without guns her son still wouldn't have killed her.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Your risk is greater too, you just are too hooked to realize it.
    Hooked? Hooked on what? What a baseless non-sequitur. Freedom isn't safe, but I challenge you to prove on quantify my risk.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The word is getting out though and gun ownership is declining because of it.
    Any source for your claim that gun ownership is going down because of perceived increased risk? Or is this another one of your baseless assertions?
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: How long will it take to repeal the 2nd amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It matters not to my position what the circuit court ruled - just like it mattered not to your position what you thought the second amendment meant before the Court ruled it was an individual right rather than one linked to the militia.
    It always has been an individual right. The court just upheld it.
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