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Gun Control

Would you support more restrictions on guns if they had the potential to save lives?

  • Yes

    Votes: 59 39.9%

  • No

    Votes: 74 50.0%

  • Others

    Votes: 15 10.1%
  • Total voters
    148
lpast said:
Its not for function its for appearance...they have to show they have done something...in the end no one will be any safer...even they know that.
If I really believed truly that strict gun controls and limits would stop school shootings...I would support them...but I just dont see that it will stop anything at this point.
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the most disgusting thing is that those who lead the anti gun idiocy know it won't help either

that is why I wish nothing but pestilence on those who push for restrictions on our rights

they don't even believe its going to help (other than perhaps get them elected)

its all so dishonest
 
TurtleDude said:
that was one of the longest winded concessions that you have no clue what you are talking about.
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Yeah, could you be more brief next time? It took you, what, 167 pages? That might be a new record buddy! Certainly the most I've ever seen, but I know you're pretty stubborn about your supposed credentials.
 
repeter said:
Yeah, could you be more brief next time? It took you, what, 167 pages? That might be a new record buddy! Certainly the most I've ever seen, but I know you're pretty stubborn about your supposed credentials.
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enough people know I am telling the truth -you ought to find another line of attack

what credentials do you have when it comes to gun rights issues
 
TurtleDude said:
is this some new tactic by the hoplophobic left?
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Yeah, its our secret weapon, it's called a joke :roll:

TurtleDude said:
saying stuff so utterly stupid that we pro gun clear thinkers are baffled by the tsunami of stupidity that the gun haters spew
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You're starting to sound like Eastwood, yelling at an empty chair, while everyone else in the room wonders what the hell is going on. It's incredibly entertaining, but lets be honest, we don't love Eastwood, or any Hollywood Star, for his opinions and political beliefs.
 
repeter said:
Yeah, its our secret weapon, it's called a joke :roll:



You're starting to sound like Eastwood, yelling at an empty chair, while everyone else in the room wonders what the hell is going on. It's incredibly entertaining, but lets be honest, we don't love Eastwood, or any Hollywood Star, for his opinions and political beliefs.
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you aren't making any sense.
 
TurtleDude said:
enough people know I am telling the truth -you ought to find another line of attack
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Oh yeah, we've all seen plenty to get a good feel about you.

what credentials do you have when it comes to gun rights issues[/QUOTE]

I have no idea, but if this thread is anything to go by, at least 15 years more experience than you.
 
repeter said:
Oh yeah, we've all seen plenty to get a good feel about you.

what credentials do you have when it comes to gun rights issues
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I have no idea, but if this thread is anything to go by, at least 15 years more experience than you.[/QUOTE]

really, I thought the last time we actually had a conversation (I believe you sort of disappeared for a year or so) you claimed to be going to law school

I could be mistaken though
 
TurtleDude said:
the most disgusting thing is that those who lead the anti gun idiocy know it won't help either

that is why I wish nothing but pestilence on those who push for restrictions on our rights

they don't even believe its going to help (other than perhaps get them elected)

its all so dishonest
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Well they all do things for appearances and to appease their base...but lets be honest here there are many conservatives coming out on the side of gun control also...not just democrats. Now whether they are just playing to their districts I dont know..but there are some being vocal about it in interviews and talk shows
 
An awfully leading question for me. In my opinion, gun control doesn't have the potential for reducing gun violence.
 
lpast said:
Well they all do things for appearances and to appease their base...but lets be honest here there are many conservatives coming out on the side of gun control also...not just democrats. Now whether they are just playing to their districts I dont know..but there are some being vocal about it in interviews and talk shows
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hard to say what they are doing-the fact remains their desire is not motivated by public safety.
 
repeter said:
It's okay, we don't love Eastwood for his ability to think critically either.
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people who love actors generally have issues with critical thinking. those who support gun control because they actually think gun control (ie limitations on honest people) will prevent those who already violate substantive criminal laws, from violating substantive criminal laws have proven they cannot think rationally

those who support gun control as crime control while not believing that are dishonest liars
 
TurtleDude said:
hard to say what they are doing-the fact remains their desire is not motivated by public safety.
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Ahh, I think some of them really believe that anything is better than nothing and anything will help...I dont think they all have nefarious reasons to be for gun control.
 
TurtleDude said:
people who love actors generally have issues with critical thinking.
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Umm...sure.

TurtleDude said:
those who support gun control because they actually think gun control (ie limitations on honest people) will prevent those who already violate substantive criminal laws, from violating substantive criminal laws have proven they cannot think rationally
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Again, sure.
TurtleDude said:
those who support gun control as crime control while not believing that are dishonest liars
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While not believing what?
 
repeter said:
Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Heller and McDonald were about handguns. The Clinton Ban was about assault weapons.

Because you clearly don't, do you know what dicta is? :lol:
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I've tried explaining that to him, but he's convinced himself that because it was determined that a ban on handguns would be unconstitutional, so would a ban on assault weapons and high capacity mags.

One thing I've wondered, since he claims it is unconstitutional for policemen to have access to weapons he does not, why he has not sought out an attorney to take his case to court? If that is the slam shut case as he insists, what is he waiting for?
 
TurtleDude said:
enough people know I am telling the truth -you ought to find another line of attack
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There is no evidence in any of your posting that I have seen!
 
Catawba said:
There is no evidence in any of your posting that I have seen!
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you deny the sun rises in the east if you thought it would help the hystertical left
 
TurtleDude said:
you deny the sun rises in the east if you thought it would help the hystertical left
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Ha! Unlike your claim that the general public has the "right" to carry the same weapons as the police, there is evidence the sun rises in the East. Otherwise, you would have sought out an attorney to make your challenge to the courts.
 
Catawba said:
Ha! Unlike your claim that the general public has the "right" to carry the same weapons as the police, there is evidence the sun rises in the East. Otherwise, you would have sought out an attorney to make your challenge to the courts.
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why would I bring a challenge-I can own every weapon I want. I have better stuff than the police in my area and while I should be able to own a machine gun, I don't have much use for one. But I suspect the lawsuits are in the work

do you realize how silly your stock arguments are

You either appeal to mediocrity by claiming that the "public" wants something or you whine that the courts did not overturn a law that no longer exists. You have never come close to actually making an argument as to why the second amendment should not recognize the right of most civilians to own the same defensive civilian weaponry that civilian law enforcement officers are issued

I suspect its because you cannot
 
TurtleDude said:
why would I bring a challenge-I can own every weapon I want. I have better stuff than the police in my area and while I should be able to own a machine gun, I don't have much use for one. But I suspect the lawsuits are in the work

do you realize how silly your stock arguments are

You either appeal to mediocrity by claiming that the "public" wants something or you whine that the courts did not overturn a law that no longer exists. You have never come close to actually making an argument as to why the second amendment should not recognize the right of most civilians to own the same defensive civilian weaponry that civilian law enforcement officers are issued

I suspect its because you cannot
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How about you don't have the same job they do. Nor do you face the same challenges or threats. We really don't treat that which s different exactly the same.
 
Boo Radley said:
How about you don't have the same job they do. Nor do you face the same challenges or threats. We really don't treat that which s different exactly the same.
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On top of that, civilians do not have the same ROE as officers. Officers are paid to stop crime. Civilians are not.
 
repeter said:
On top of that, civilians do not have the same ROE as officers. Officers are paid to stop crime. Civilians are not.
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police are almost always prepared when they get into a gun fight. most other civilians are never the instigators. those instigating violence have an edge meaning most of us should have even better tools than the cops
 
Boo Radley said:
How about you don't have the same job they do. Nor do you face the same challenges or threats. We really don't treat that which s different exactly the same.
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unfortunately for you I know far more about this subject than you can comprehend. Most police gun fights happen when the police instigate action. its rare for criminals to start shooting at unsuspecting police. Most police shootings involve the police responding to a crime call or a felony stop or conducting a raid--in other words the cops are in "condition red" before the shooting starts. shopkeepers and homeowners facing armed robbers or pedestrians facing muggers are never the instigators

ask Caine or Goshin-they will tell you I am correct.
 
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