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Gun Control

Would you support more restrictions on guns if they had the potential to save lives?

  • Yes

    Votes: 59 39.9%
  • No

    Votes: 74 50.0%
  • Others

    Votes: 15 10.1%

  • Total voters
    148
I tried to find a point to your post and I cannot. we are talking about hysterical democrats trying to ban weapons that are

1) in common use

2) not any more dangerous than other weapons

in other words, semi automatic rifles meet the Heller test for protection

And I was talking about hysterical right wingers who insist ANY restriction is an infringement and thus unconstitutional.

I wouldn't be so sure ARs and AKs meet the Heller 'test'. The Supreme Court concentrated on self defense in one's home and the Right to Bear is an individual one, no real need to meet some militia requirement. The issue hinges on what is considered a home defense weapon. Much can be made of home defense ARs out in the country but the vast majority of citizens live damn near shoulder to shoulder.

My gut says no bans on ARs or AKs but mag cap at 20 or below, more backround checks, hopefully more money spent on mental health and school security.

But the 2nd Amendment can and is legally 'infringed' all with the blessing of the 'intellectual scholar' of the right wing in the Supreme Court.
 
And I was talking about hysterical right wingers who insist ANY restriction is an infringement and thus unconstitutional.

I wouldn't be so sure ARs and AKs meet the Heller 'test'. The Supreme Court concentrated on self defense in one's home and the Right to Bear is an individual one, no real need to meet some militia requirement. The issue hinges on what is considered a home defense weapon. Much can be made of home defense ARs out in the country but the vast majority of citizens live damn near shoulder to shoulder.

My gut says no bans on ARs or AKs but mag cap at 20 or below, more backround checks, hopefully more money spent on mental health and school security.

But the 2nd Amendment can and is legally 'infringed' all with the blessing of the 'intellectual scholar' of the right wing in the Supreme Court.

any restriction that is imposed as feel good measures or worse-designed to harass people while pretending to be a crime control measure is unconstitutional

and since the militia requirement was never condition precedent for the right, your qualifiers have no merit
 
And I was talking about hysterical right wingers who insist ANY restriction is an infringement and thus unconstitutional.
Please provide quotes to that effect.

I wouldn't be so sure ARs and AKs meet the Heller 'test'. The Supreme Court concentrated on self defense in one's home and the Right to Bear is an individual one, no real need to meet some militia requirement. The issue hinges on what is considered a home defense weapon. Much can be made of home defense ARs out in the country but the vast majority of citizens live damn near shoulder to shoulder.
False.
Heller directly, and in context, references Miller, which requires that for a weapon to be protected under the 2nd it must be suitable for service in the militia. There is no better example of this sort of weapon on the civilian market than the AR-15.
Heller then expands on that language regarding weapons for self-defense.
 
Gun control would only lead to black markets, same thing that happened with marijuana. If everyone had a gun, no one would want to rob or murder each other. In Switzerland, 97% of the population is armed yet they have one of the lowest crime rates in the world.
 
Gun control would only lead to black markets, same thing that happened with marijuana. If everyone had a gun, no one would want to rob or murder each other. In Switzerland, 97% of the population is armed yet they have one of the lowest crime rates in the world.

You want a system like Switzerland's, where government service is mandatory of each of those citizens with guns?
 
You want a system like Switzerland's, where government service is mandatory of each of those citizens with guns?


we want the one that the founders intended.
 
You want a system like Switzerland's, where government service is mandatory of each of those citizens with guns?

Absolutely not, we should lower restrictions but also educate lawful gun owners on how to use them properly.
 
we want the one that the founders intended.

Switzerland actually has the system we used to have. They have a real ****ing militia! So you are ready to sign up for government service to get your military issue rifle?
 
Absolutely not, we should lower restrictions but also educate lawful gun owners on how to use them properly.

So that stuff about, hey look at Switzerland, you didn't really mean?
 
Switzerland actually has the system we used to have. They have a real ****ing militia! So you are ready to sign up for government service to get your military issue rifle?

we never had any federal limitations on firearms until FDR's nastiness.

I already served the government and i continue to serve it as a tax payer. I don't need a government issued rifle, I have bought plenty of my own. Unlike you I don't look to the government to give me what i want
 
You guys can try to fix the gun thing all you want. But until we fix the "****ed-up in the head" thing, we're all just pissing up a rope.

I'm gonna go make some popcorn.
 
people too young and too old to be in the militia-among others

HA, yep, that's just what our country needs today, more kids with guns! So you just want the guns without having the responsibility that our founders intended.
 
HA, yep, that's just what our country needs today, more kids with guns! So you just want the guns without having the responsibility that our founders intended.

If the liberal parents of Columbine had given a crap about their kids all of those deaths would have been avoided.
 
HA, yep, that's just what our country needs today, more kids with guns! So you just want the guns without having the responsibility that our founders intended.

non responsive: i was noting your militia requirement was never the rule in the USA
 
Public support for gun control continues to grow!

Gun Control Support Soars In New Polls

Dec. 27, 2012 - "In the new HuffPost/YouGov survey of 1,000 adults conducted Dec. 21-22, 55 percent of Americans said that gun control laws should be made more strict, 13 percent said they should be made less strict, and 27 percent said there should be no change. Support for stricter laws in the new poll is even higher than it was in another HuffPost/YouGov poll conducted immediately after the shooting took place, when 50 percent of respondents said that that gun control laws should be made stricter."

Gun Control Support Soars In New Polls
 
Public support for gun control continues to grow!

Gun Control Support Soars In New Polls

Dec. 27, 2012 - "In the new HuffPost/YouGov survey of 1,000 adults conducted Dec. 21-22, 55 percent of Americans said that gun control laws should be made more strict, 13 percent said they should be made less strict, and 27 percent said there should be no change. Support for stricter laws in the new poll is even higher than it was in another HuffPost/YouGov poll conducted immediately after the shooting took place, when 50 percent of respondents said that that gun control laws should be made stricter."

Gun Control Support Soars In New Polls

whenever you get beat on facts you start invoking polls based on the ignorant
 
whenever you get beat on facts you start invoking polls based on the ignorant

I see you subscribe to the Karl Rove method of poll reading. :cool:
 
Public support for gun control continues to grow!

Gun Control Support Soars In New Polls

Dec. 27, 2012 - "In the new HuffPost/YouGov survey of 1,000 adults conducted Dec. 21-22, 55 percent of Americans said that gun control laws should be made more strict, 13 percent said they should be made less strict, and 27 percent said there should be no change. Support for stricter laws in the new poll is even higher than it was in another HuffPost/YouGov poll conducted immediately after the shooting took place, when 50 percent of respondents said that that gun control laws should be made stricter."

Gun Control Support Soars In New Polls

But underneath a broad openness to some changes, opinions on specific new restrictions varied sharply in the Gallup poll. Support for requiring background checks at gun shows, a measure proposed by President Barack Obama, is nearly unanimous, with 92 percent favoring the change. A proposed ban on semi-automatic guns, however, earns a much smaller majority of support. Public support for a ban on handguns has continued to drop, reaching a record low this year, with just a quarter in favor.


Hmm, and I bet most of those polled actually think the laws are different at gun shows than other venues in a given state

and I bet less than one out of ten who supports "assault weapon" restrictions couldn't tell you what one is

appealing to ignorance and emotion is the gun control movement's stock in trade
 
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