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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Because I don't honestly need to refute you. The topic is irrelevant and a waste of time.
    It is a waste of YOUR time since you don't know the history of the gun...as I showed in multiple posts.



    This is all radicalist garbage. Want you know how I know?
    Apparently you can't express it, no one is stopping you.



    That ridiculoust statement right there. Do you have a problem with white people? You know that the NRA isn't a racist organization right? There are no links beyond that thing you saw in the Michael Moore cartoon. Way to go on that.
    Nuts, what "cartoon" do you think I viewed....and take note, that was a separate paragraph...but then again, the NRA more than likely has a large number of racists in it's midst...but that is such a tangent from the point, you avoided the point, the point was that you and your ilk have no legit need for military weaponry.

    CLEARLY you have no concept of firearms and are quoting EXACTLY what the media says, and EXACTLY what your party line says. How do I know this?
    You don't know anything about me, I am a gun owner, I grew up in AZ, have done the whole dove hunting/target practice/blowing things up in the desert bs....when I was a kid.



    They aren't targeting "military weapons" only. They are targeting semi automatic weapons in general. That would be Ruger, Mossberg, Savage, Remington, and basically ANYONE else who makes a .22 that can hold more than 10 rounds. Yes that is JUST the .22 caliber. Anyone else who makes a semi-automatic rifle that has a magazine capacity greater than 10 rounds WILL come under attack as well. You say it is for "killing people" and that is incredibily naive. The shooter determines the purpose of the weapon. The idiotic statement that "the gun is for killing people" is so clearly undereducated that I actually laughed when I read it. You do know that the BULLET has more bearing on the purpose of a firearm than the gun itself? If I load it up with cheap FMJ rounds what do you think I am doing? Shooting people? No I am targeting...paper targets. I use hollow points or buckshot if I am loading for self defense. You can make a case for ammunition, but every man or woman on this forum who has regular trigger time knows that bullets make a bigger difference than the rifle itself. Not to mention I have NEVER seen these ARs fire without human interaction. That means that these rifles coming under the threat of banishment...still need to be aimed. Who does that? The rifle doesn't have an autoaim like your video game. It has to be pointed. That means that the entire solution to the problem you are FREAKING OUT over is NOT in the object. It is in the person pointing it.
    You lost track, the topic is THE GUN, in this case the AR-15. It was designed to be an assault/mainline military weapon from the start. It isn't about the single bullet, it is about the fact that these are military weapons designed to fire at high rates.....to KILL PEOPLE. Not for hunting, or target shooting.......killing people.

    All that said. This "ban" on military rifles is stupid. Why? Because it will do nothing more than cosmeticly attack. Do you know why your view and the view of people like Catwaba or Capster is a joke? Because THIS:



    is considered "deadlier" than this:


    In a competition of ability...I take the 2nd and you take the first...do you realize that you could only win in sheer volume of wasted ammo with the first rifle? I bet you still think the first is more lethal don't you?



    Who told you that? That is HILARIOUS!!! Considering the fact that I am in the best shape of my life, have a wonderful sex life, and I am on track for a very bright future? Lol.



    I know. My 870 and 9mm says so.
    You know, again, you lost the argument again, because you think that a bolt action has the ability to fire at a greater rate than the AR-15, it can't.

    You are not fooling me


    Actually between you and me...I am the least likely to committ a violent act. That is of course because I don't see firearms as ONLY for murder. I would be afraid of what you would do if you owned a firearm. You don't properly understand their usage. Maybe we should just ban you? After all I am looking to become an instructor, and I have a safety record like you wouldn't believe.
    Talk is cheap, and as I have already shown on multiple points....you don't know what you claim to be expert about.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Correlation does not imply causality.
    Sure, tell that to the Japanese.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I can reload an M4 in about 2 seconds flat, so I'm not sure how that could be true.
    How did that work out for the shooters that were tackled when they stopped shooting to reload.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How did that work out for the shooters that were tackled when they stopped shooting to reload.
    How many unarmed children does it take to tackle a shooter?

    If you can rush a shooter and have him on the ground in under 2 seconds, hats off to you bro.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    There was no challenge to the federal law because there is no Constitutional basis for a challenge.

    As noted by Conservative Justice Scalia:

    "Machine guns have been banned in this country for decades. Even as it found an individual right to gun ownership in the Second Amendment, the Supreme Court made the following observation: "Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited," that it is "not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever" and noted "the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of 'dangerous and unusual weapons.' " That opinion wasn't written by some wild-eyed liberal - it was written by conservative Justice Antonin Scalia."

    Read more: Feinstein presses for assault weapons ban - SFGate
    You, of course, are taking it out of context....it goes on to say:

    "nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms."

    He's talking about specific restrictions under specific circumstances. Not a general application.

    Further:

    :The U.S. Supreme Court declined without comment yesterday to hear a challenge to New Jersey's ban on semiautomatic assault weapons, letting stand a law seen by many as the toughest of its kind in the country.

    Assault-weapons ban withstands court challenge The U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear arguments against the strict N.J. law. Some issues, though, still can be raised. N.J.'s strict assault-weapons law to stand - Philly.com
    Uhm, so?

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I can reload an M4 in about 2 seconds flat, so I'm not sure how that could be true.
    That's 26 rounds.

    And here I thought the issue was limited to the Constitution, I didn't realize it extended to math as well.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Prove you are correct, link to your calling for increased spending on education, for instance.
    I've done so repeatedly. Education is my schtick.


    Oh, well....you have somehow found my "plan"....and refuted it. Can you link to either?



    First? good golly, molly..."first" has come and gone, I'm still waiting for anything countering what has already been written....not what you continue to imagine.....but what has actually been posted.
    Counter? Counter what, your assumptions?

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    That's 26 rounds.

    And here I thought the issue was limited to the Constitution, I didn't realize it extended to math as well.
    An M4 mag holds 30, but most professional shooters will load 28 to avoid jamming. Might want to check your info there, haas.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Uhm, so?
    What, you really don't understand how that counters the whole "I have a right to military weaponry"?
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    An M4 mag holds 30, but most professional shooters will load 28 to avoid jamming. Might want to check your info there, haas.
    Uh..."haas"....the point was rate of fire.

    Man, you guys...
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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