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    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Ok, I accept that they are multi ethnic. That does not mean multi-cultural.

    Also, where did you pull that number from?
    That number was taken from the wikpedia article I linked to and reprinted. please see post 904.

    I suspect you are confusing skin color with what is considered as multicultural. I suspect you would get a huge donnybrook from the Irish when you claim that their culture is the same as the British.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So reactionary BS with 0 practical hands on experience? The only time the thought or discussion occurs to you is when the media gets a story of dead innocent people. Not when people defend themselves. So basically your opinion is worthless is because you have el zilcho experience discussing this topic when the media isn't blabbering on about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That number was taken from the wikpedia article I linked to and reprinted. please see post 904.

    I suspect you are confusing skin color with what is considered as multicultural. I suspect you would get a huge donnybrook from the Irish when you claim that their culture is the same as the British.
    That is the link I used. As I pointed out, you apparently left of those claiming Australian, who's ethnicity is undetermined because there is already a classification for Australian Aborigine.

    You also do not address my point about multi-ethnic not being the same as multi-culture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How about shotguns, do they count?
    Single shot break open? Over under? Side by side? You do know that if you own a pump...that isn't far down the line on bans. Ask Australia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    A fact can be documented. You have provided only your opinion.
    Why are you dodging my question?
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I thought we were talking about gun crimes?
    While assault and rape went up 40% and 20%. Sorry that does not float. I mean a woman being 3 times more likely to be raped in Australia vs the US is just sad. - Blackdog

    Please point out where I said anything about a gun?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Assault could be almost anything. Rapes are generally committed with a penis - not a gun.

    And remember - the law was passed to stop mass murders with guns. And that it did as cited by the previous stats where NONE occurred. They achieved their goal and achieved it rather excellently.
    You are so dishonest, I don't even know why I bothered...

    Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime

    And no, the law was passed to stop or lower most crime. Gun crimes went down a whole 9% in 12 years, WOW what a success! And assaults only went up 40% while in the US they went down, go figure. And rape only 20%! I guess disarming women was a great idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    That is the link I used. As I pointed out, you apparently left of those claiming Australian, who's ethnicity is undetermined because there is already a classification for Australian Aborigine.

    You also do not address my point about multi-ethnic not being the same as multi-culture.
    Those claiming to be "Australian" could be almost anything on that list.

    As for the point you want me to speak to..... I am not sure what I can say about it. Again, lets please put our cards on the table. I get the distinct and clear impression you are talking about RACE as in skin color particularly in America. I get the clear impression that the message is that good decent god fearing white folks would be doing just well with gun statistics were it not for those degenerate minorities messing it up for everybody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
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    You are so dishonest, I don't even know why I bothered...

    Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime
    that is because you are and they are not looking at what was the purpose of the ban in the first place: to stop mass murders with guns. And it worked perfectly

    The results are hard to argue with. According to a Harvard University study, 13 gun massacres (in which four or more people died) occurred in the 18 years before the law was enacted. In the 16 years since there has been none. Zero. The overall firearm homicide rate dropped from 0.43 per 100,000 in the seven years before the law to 0.25 in the seven years after. By 2009, the rate had dropped further, to just 0.1 per 100,000, or one per million.

    In the USA, the 2009 firearm homicide rate was 3.3 per 100,000, some 33 times higher than Australia's.
    Are those stats incorrect?

    I would point out to you that there are at least two different threads right on this site - one started by Goshin and the other by Lee White. In the OP for both they restrict any discussion of new laws to one which would specifically be aimed at the Connecticut atrocity. that is what conservatives here are insisting upon. And that is what the Australians did. And it worked to perfection and achieved the goal they set out to achieve - putting an end to mass murders with guns.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Do you exist in a nation composed only of New York City?

    Since you offered......... What I would like is statistics for the entire nation and not simply cherry picked by you to custom fit your own personal narrative.
    It is an example and it is the same for most large urban centers...

    Don't have to, I have the national break down here...

    The U.S. Justice Department provides a breakdown of homicides by the race of both the victim and offender. Looking at the data for 2005 (the latest year available), we find that whites committed 48.0% of all murders and blacks committed 51.2% of all murders. However, whites outnumber blacks in the population. In fact, non-Hispanic whites are about 69% of the population and blacks are about 13%. These statistics alone, shows that blacks are 13% of the population, but commit 51.2% of the murders, indicate that blacks commit a seriously disproportionate number of murders." - Black on Black Crime Coalition

    Link to the Department of Justice article - http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/bvvc.pdf

    Now lets see how you try and weasel out of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    that is because you are and they are not looking at what was the purpose of the ban in the first place: to stop mass murders with guns. And it worked perfectly
    OK, I suppose rape and assault make no difference to you. No problem. Yes it worked real well. So in other words rare mass murders are gone but rape and assaults have gotten much worse. Got ya.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Are those stats incorrect?
    Yes they are. I don't see why Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics would need to lie about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I would point out to you that there are at least two different threads right on this site - one started by Goshin and the other by Lee White. In the OP for both they restrict any discussion of new laws to one which would specifically be aimed at the Connecticut atrocity. that is what conservatives here are insisting upon. And that is what the Australians did. And it worked to perfection and achieved the goal they set out to achieve - putting an end to mass murders with guns.
    And upping all other crime... allot. I am not insisting on ****. You can comment in those threads if you like. Got nothing to do with anything here. Nice red herring though.

    Just moronic.
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