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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It's not my personal opinion man, it is a fact. You just want to remain ignorant on the subject and talk out of your ass. That's cool with me man.

    Like I said 12 years in the military and a cop, but what the hell do I know about guns.

    Your credibility can't really get any lower anyway, so it's not like it's a big deal.
    catawba's only information is that he dislikes the politics of gun owners. all of his posts on the subject is fueled by that. consistency, logic or facts play no role. when I asked him what experience he had with guns he reflexively went with emotion-merely posting a picture of what appeared to be a memorial to CRIME Victims

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    A fact can be documented. You have provided only your opinion.
    actually Blackdog's comments are factually. Yours are contrary to known reality

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by SanderO View Post
    How about all the 2nd Amendment advocates join a well regulated militia which controlled the weaponry?

    Have you forgotten well regulated militia?

    Why do advocates conclude that gun ownership is an INDIVIDUAL right?

    How do they justify that this amendment was written in a completely different time and is likely outdated? Can this be interpreted to mean that the well regulated militia can own tanks, and fighter jets etc?
    ah the discredited moronic claim from a newbie that has been womped stomped and giftwrapped by almost every reputable legal scholar and the Court.

    those who do not read prior posts are doomed to get napalmed again when they repeat stupidity

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The weapons the police use are selected for the very same reason that they are perfectly applicable to home/self defense. So, we disagree.
    exactly a gun that is most suitable for a somewhat trained police officer to use against criminal attack in an urban environment is often the most suitable for other somewhat trained civilians to use when confronting similar criminal attacks in the same neighborhood

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Or that the purpose of bearing arms differs for law enforcement officers and law abiding civilians; as they are exactly the same - detering crime by the use of deadly force in appropriate situations. One may, rightly, argue that the legal use of dealy force for civilians is more limitted than for that of LEOs, in that LEOs may act on legal warrants, rather than only in the immediate response to current threats, but that is a minor distinction at best.
    actually in most cases when Police engage criminals, the police were the initiators of the confrontation while when OTHER civilians are engaged in a gun fight with criminals, the criminals initiated the confrontation. Police generally go into a dangerous situation knowing it is dangerous, while other civilians have far less time to react or prepare. there are very few cases where cops are actually ambushed by criminals while every active shooting, mugging, home invasion or armed robbery of a business is essentially an ambush

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    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    While we're at it, should we limit the sale of cars that exceed 55 mph? No-one needs a vehicle that goes faster than that....except the police of course.

    What do you mean by "hi powered weaponry" Caliber? Range?
    Its a "loose cannon thing"..
    I fully know what this is like...no loose cannon should be allowed to own lethal weapons.....period....Automobiles are far safer.
    Its ludicrous to allow gun ownership without a 100% background check, as we do not know where all the loose cannons are.....and who they are...
    Automobile-wise, we have made huge strides - no more Pontiac Tempest GTO with 6 cylinder brakes and handling (one example)..
    However, I thinks that it is impossible to sell "gun safety/regulation" to the NRA and its lackeys, the tea bagging conservatives...
    Not any more than lead can be talked into being gold..

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Its a "loose cannon thing"..
    I fully know what this is like...no loose cannon should be allowed to own lethal weapons.....period....Automobiles are far safer.
    Its ludicrous to allow gun ownership without a 100% background check, as we do not know where all the loose cannons are.....and who they are...
    Automobile-wise, we have made huge strides - no more Pontiac Tempest GTO with 6 cylinder brakes and handling (one example)..
    However, I thinks that it is impossible to sell "gun safety/regulation" to the NRA and its lackeys, the tea bagging conservatives...
    Not any more than lead can be talked into being gold..


    this makes no sense whatsoever, and how are you going to enforce background checks on people who are banned from owning guns in the first place-ie criminals who ignore other laws.

    I suspect if we got the anti gun extremists to tell the truth, they would claim anyone who wants to own a gun for self defense is a "loose cannon" in the minds of the gun haters

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by teachix4jesus View Post
    i just think the government is overstepping here, relieved that Obama is in Hawai, at least he cant do too much damage to our country from there
    Hawaii is part of our country.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Stop, take a deep breath, and consider for a moment what the use of an "assault weapon" really permitted in the few instances that they have been used to commit "mass murder". They allowed more unarmed, unprotected victim's lives to be taken in a shorter amount of time (due mainly to the total number of rounds available, magazine size x number of magazines). So in these few cases, in which the victim count exceeded 4, it was possible to use a firearm instead of a bomb, fire or other WMD to achieve a higher victim count (including the perp). Limitting the choice/availability of these legal "assault weapons" does not make them disappear nor change the motives/opportunities to commit mass murder (and suicide) significantly.
    What happened to events like this when they made the changes in Australia - a nation with a similar frontier culture as the USA?
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    My position is NOT based on SCOTUS. It is based on the meaning of the Second Amendment as it was written.

    btw - you mentioned HINDERED as part of the definition.... here is that definition from the same 1828 source



    That goes hand in hand with my position that the right must be stopped or defeated to be INFRINGED.
    You ignored impeded and retarded.

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