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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Quite the analogy Jerry, we see a lot of massacres that result from pot and prostitution, don't we?
    I'm a big supporter of "because I want to get ****-faced tonight" pot use, but prostitution is directly linked to the human sex-slave black market, rape, child abuse, and drug abuse.

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    Re: Gun Control

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    Maybe you should be more careful when drinking Mountain Dew.
    Not to worry. I didn't point it at anyone. LOL!

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    “Slippery slope” is not always a fallacy. With regard to the 1994 “assault weapon” ban, the Brady organization boasted that once they got that in place, they would “show us the rest of the camel”. The promoters of this fraudulent ban openly admitted that it was a first step, to open the way for even more outrageous violations of the Second Amendment to come afterward.
    Did happen? You can find an idiot saying anything. Finding one doesn't make it not a slippery slope fallacy. You have to show there is a reasonable expectation that it will happen. In America that would be really hard to do.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm a big supporter of "because I want to get ****-faced tonight" pot use, but prostitution is directly linked to the human sex-slave black market, rape, child abuse, and drug abuse.
    How many innocent civilians in the US die as a result of prostitution each year?
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Did happen? You can find an idiot saying anything. Finding one doesn't make it not a slippery slope fallacy. You have to show there is a reasonable expectation that it will happen. In America that would be really hard to do.
    I don't have time to go looking for proof, right now, but I am quite sure that I remember seeing TV coverage of Sarah Brady herself, boasting about “showing us the rest of the camel”. I think the only reason we didn't see “the rest of the camel” was the outcome of the elections later that same year, when a very large portion of the Congressman and Senators who supported the fraudulent “assault weapon” ban were voted out of office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I don't have time to go looking for proof, right now, but I am quite sure that I remember seeing TV coverage of Sarah Brady herself, boasting about “showing us the rest of the camel”. I think the only reason we didn't see “the rest of the camel” was the outcome of the elections later that same year, when a very large portion of the Congressman and Senators who supported the fraudulent “assault weapon” ban were voted out of office.
    It would matter at all if she did. She had and has no real power. We've never come close in this country to banning all weapons, and frankly I don't believe we ver will. But for it to not be a slippery slope fallacy, there must be at least a realistic possibility of it. Merely quote someone who can't do it doesn't make the it anymore likely.

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    Re: Gun Control

    [QUOTE=lizzie;1061259054]
    I don't favor more gun control, first because of the 2nd amendment, and its importance
    But why is it so important in the 21st century?

    and secondly, because I don't believe it would have any effect on lessening violence in this culture. What we have is a cultural problem, not a gun problem.
    Is that not an oxymoron?

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It would matter at all if she did. She had and has no real power. We've never come close in this country to banning all weapons, and frankly I don't believe we ver will. But for it to not be a slippery slope fallacy, there must be at least a realistic possibility of it. Merely quote someone who can't do it doesn't make the it anymore likely.
    Up until the 1994 elections, she certainly did have real power. She and her organization were the major driving force behind the fraudulent “assault weapon” ban. It probably wouldn't have happened without her efforts. And the “Brady Bill”*before that. I think there is every reason to believe that had the 1994 elections gone differently, she would have succeeded in getting even more outrageous, unconstitutional gun restrictions passed into law.
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    Re: Gun Control

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    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post

    But why is it so important in the 21st century?



    Is that not an oxymoron?

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    It is important in the 21st century for the same reason it was important in the 1700's.

    Oxymoron, how? The problem is not the guns, or the gun numbers, but the cultural attitudes of those who use them for destructive purposes. Our culture increasingly glorifies criminals and violence. Take and look at our large urban areas to see that this is so. Take a look as many of our movies, and violent video games, as an example.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We are talking about reducing massacres of innocent people. In order to believe that banning guns that accept high capacity magazines would have no effect on reducing the massacres, one would have to ignore that the guns available in the US that accept high capacity magazines are the guns of choice for those carrying out massacres in both the US and Mexico.
    Well duh. If they weren't stupid enough to use a gun, then they probably wouldn't of been stupid enough to carry out a massacre.

    You are using the gun and magazine capacity to say that the attempt or completion of a massacre wouldn't or couldn't occur. Really?

    So at around the same time, a nutjob in China didn't attempt something similar with a knife? I think that example alone pretty much disproves any train of thought that guns cause the problem.

    We know that you cannot take guns away. Even if you stopped selling them today, there are still millions in existence. Even high capacity clips, if you banned the sale of them today, all the ones currently out there still exist. Can you confiscate them, no, for one thing, if you try, they will be hidden, for another the Constitution protects against the passing of Ex Post Facto laws.

    Even with very strict gun laws, do you actually believe someone attempting or plotting to commit a crime is going to care about a gun law. Tell me, how many shootings are carried out with handguns and gang-bangers under 21? Or with other guns when they are under 18? You can reduce the theft and illegal sales of guns, but you cannot eliminate it.

    Since ridding our society of guns is pretty much an impossibility, we need to focus on workable solutions, not someone's fantasy.

    What has shown to work? Refer back to one of my previous post, the one with the chart. Check out the murder rates when pretty much every adult male was required to own a gun and the murder rate after. You probably don't like the idea and would never support it, but history does show us that by arming pretty much everyone, murder rates were very low. We have an historical example of something that is proven to work. I admit, that I would still support not letting confirmed mental cases and felons have guns.

    We cannot get rid of guns, so we have to learn to live with them. Other than "lets get rid of them all", do you know of any other way to get control of gun violence, other than what I said above, that is proven or at least logical and doable that can, if not end, then at least reduce this trend of violence to the point that existed in 1900?
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