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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Police officers are not civilians. Just yesterday I provided you with no less than three separate dictionary definitions which ALL agreed that they were not civilians. I will look for that post and present it again for you.

    So your argument fails.
    OMG that is hilarious. POLICE OFFICERS ARE NOT CIVILIANS

    so why are they called members of civilian LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES

    they certainly are under the federal law. where there are two types of people

    military and civilian

    why is the US ATTORNEY considered the ranking CIVILIAN LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER in a judicial district and why does he and his assistants practice in FEDERAL CIVILIAN COURTS rather than MILITARY COURTS

    and btw a suit against an FBI agent either in his OFFICIAL capacity or his individual capacity (a BIVENSconstitutional tort action) take place a civilian court rather than a military one


    this is really funny stuff

    and it does not answer my question-why should I not be able to own the same weapons CIVILIAN LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES ISSUE THEIR CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Sorry. You are wrong.



    but forget what both you and I say about who is a civillian and who is not. Neither of us write dictionaries so lets use one.


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    That is about as straight forward as you can get.

    or how about this from The Free Dictionary



    That is two for two telling you that you are using the word CIVILLIAN incorrectly.

    Here is a third from Meriam-Webster



    And the Second Amendment has not a damn thing to do with it.
    So some dip**** (or wordsmith manipulator) got that crap put in a dictionary. Doesn't change the fact that police are civilians.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Police officers are not civilians. Just yesterday I provided you with no less than three separate dictionary definitions which ALL agreed that they were not civilians. I will look for that post and present it again for you.

    So your argument fails.
    your dictionary definitions are based not on US statute or the constitution. True, cops call non cops civilians

    the Department of defense calls civilian law enforcement officers civilian law enforcement officers.

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    Re: Gun Control

    I dont think this crazy shooter should make us wanna take away our rights to have a gun. The founders of the USA put it in there for a reason and I dont think the government should take away those rights for us now. We are the greatest country in the world and we shouldnt let an evil jerk start taking our our rights away.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    So some dip**** (or wordsmith manipulator) got that crap put in a dictionary. Doesn't change the fact that police are civilians.
    yeah you are right. even the military has both MILITARY POLICE (soldiers, not civilians and CIVILIAN Police officers (civilians not military)

    Marine Corps Civilian Police Program

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    OMG that is hilarious. POLICE OFFICERS ARE NOT CIVILIANS
    The people who write the dictionary say you are wrong. The "really funny stuff" is you attempting to blindly ignore reality and what words mean in the real world because you are pathetically scrounging for some way to justify you building up an armory to someday kill police officers and politicians and you want to be well armed to do it.

    Your complete and continual utter failure on this line of attempted reasoning is that you are falsely using the term CIVILIAN to describe both you and me as well as professional police officers. They are NOT civilians the way you and I are. They are in a special professional occupational class that is far closer to paramilitary personnel. As such, they are entrusted with special powers, special authority and special weaponry that goes beyond what you and I have as non professional police officers.

    but forget what both you and I say about who is a civillian and who is not. Neither of us write dictionaries so lets use one.

    ci·vil·ian /sɪˈvɪlyən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[si-vil-yuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
    –noun 1. a person who is not on active duty with a military, naval, police, or fire fighting organization.
    2. Informal. anyone regarded by members of a profession, interest group, society, etc., as not belonging; nonprofessional; outsider: We need a producer to run the movie studio, not some civilian from the business world.
    3. a person versed in or studying Roman or civil law.
    –adjective 4. of, pertaining to, formed by, or administered by civilians.
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    That is about as straight forward as you can get.

    or how about this from The Free Dictionary

    ci·vil·ian (s-vlyn)
    n.
    1. A person following the pursuits of civil life, especially one who is not an active member of the military, the police, or a belligerent group.
    2. A person who does not belong to a particular group or engage in a particular activity.
    3. A specialist in Roman or civil law.
    adj.
    Of or relating to civilians or civil life; nonmilitary: civilian clothes; a civilian career.
    That is two for two telling you that you are using the word CIVILLIAN incorrectly.

    Here is a third from Meriam-Webster

    ci·vil·ian noun \sə-ˈvil-yən also -ˈvi-yən\

    Definition of CIVILIAN

    1
    : a specialist in Roman or modern civil law
    2
    a : one not on active duty in the armed services or not on a police or firefighting force
    b : outsider 1
    — civilian adjective
    See civilian defined for English-language learners »
    See civilian defined for kids »
    Examples of CIVILIAN

    The bomb injured 12 civilians.
    First Known Use of CIVILIAN

    14th century

    And all your attempted double talk and mockery will not change one of those dictionary definitions.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    So some dip**** (or wordsmith manipulator) got that crap put in a dictionary. Doesn't change the fact that police are civilians.
    Reality is what makes police NOT civilians. The dictionary simply confirms that reality.

    Calling expert authorities childish names is a poor substitute for verifiable evidence and intelligent debate.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah you are right. even the military has both MILITARY POLICE (soldiers, not civilians and CIVILIAN Police officers (civilians not military)

    Marine Corps Civilian Police Program
    The source you are quoting IS NOT DEFINING what a civilian is. They are merely using that word to differentiate between a Marine and anon marine in a police capacity within the corps. If you read your own link, you would have discovered that.

    Now take your own link ot its logical conclusion. We are not in the Marine Corps in any capacity. So your link and article is irrelevant to what constitutes a non military police officer as a non civilian in the real world.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    your dictionary definitions are based not on US statute or the constitution. True, cops call non cops civilians

    the Department of defense calls civilian law enforcement officers civilian law enforcement officers.
    The dictionary is not quoting cops calling non cops anything.
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    Re: Gun Control

    cops call non cops civilians. the federal statutes, the federal courts and the US Attorney calls them civilians

    expert authorities are on my side Haymarket. Dirtpoorchris is 100% correct.

    when a cop violates someone's rights he is tried in the same court as you and I would be.

    that is the proof that trumps any of the crappy definitions you have posted.

    and I should note that many federal LEOs are under the command of the president, they are part of the executive branch. the executive branch is a headed by a CIVILIAN and that is the president. while the president is commander and chief everyone knows this proves that CIVILIAN authority is above MILITARY AUTHORITY. The US Attorney is the highest federal LEO in a judicial district. He is appointed by the president. He is thus a civilian,

    call up your US attorney Barbara McQuade, 313-226-9100

    ask her if she is a civilian

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