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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Yes, there are some of the basics in law, but it is not complete. A gun owner should go to at least quarterly meetings and annual training, a few hours at urban style range. The member should pass some evaluation.
    What are your personal qualifications validating this opinion? Why should we pay you any attention to you at all?

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Banning "assault weapons" will have virtually no effect on reducing crime.
    The majority of crimes are committed with handguns and shotguns.
    We are talking about reducing massacres of innocent people. In order to believe that banning guns that accept high capacity magazines would have no effect on reducing the massacres, one would have to ignore that the guns available in the US that accept high capacity magazines are the guns of choice for those carrying out massacres in both the US and Mexico.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    The lesson is, and has always been "Prohibition DOESN'T WORK!"

    No matter how many history lessons on the Volstead act people skip.
    Like the Left says about pot and prostitution: Legalize it so it can be regulated and taxed.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Like the Left says about pot and prostitution: Legalize it so it can be regulated and taxed.

    Quite the analogy Jerry, we see a lot of massacres that result from pot and prostitution, don't we?
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    Re: Gun Control

    Well, here's a conservative voice of reason. (Yes, there are still a few out there.)

    I could have written this myself.

    This guy was awarded the highest NRA score for all four terms he served in congress. He's definitely no liberal, to say the least. But he still makes sense.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Quite the analogy Jerry, we see a lot of massacres that result from pot and prostitution, don't we?
    I just blew Mountain Dew out my nose again. LOL!

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by finebead View Post
    So, what do you DO to DEAL with the problem? Do you want to deal with the problem, or should we just accept that every now and again, someone will go into our schools and kill a bunch of teachers and students?

    Further, if we accept that it is very hard to predict behavior, and we don't arrest or commit people who MIGHT commit a crime, how would you deal with the problem?
    There's really not much we can do.

    As you observed, we can't arrest someone because they might commit a crime. Gun control is a proven failure as far as assuring anyone's safety other than the criminals'.

    We can't always prevent crime, but we can sacrifice a great deal of essential liberty, in the vain attempt to do so, which will only make us all less free, without making us any safer.

    From time to time, someone will choose to commit a terrible crime. That's just a simple, unalterable fact of life.

    The best we can do, it seems, is to try to teach people from a young age the difference between right and wrong; and to make sure that people are allowed, wherever and whenever feasible, to be armed and prepared to defend themselves, as necessary. There's really not much more than that that we can do, as a society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Whether it worked or not has nothing to with my point. I said there may be reasons to oppose a ban, but the slippery slope fallacy isn't one. No where in that state do I argue effectiveness either way.
    “Slippery slope” is not always a fallacy. With regard to the 1994 “assault weapon” ban, the Brady organization boasted that once they got that in place, they would “show us the rest of the camel”. The promoters of this fraudulent ban openly admitted that it was a first step, to open the way for even more outrageous violations of the Second Amendment to come afterward.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I just blew Mountain Dew out my nose again. LOL!
    Maybe you should be more careful when drinking Mountain Dew.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertzz View Post
    I appreciate the question as asked, but see that many people are failing to read it for what it is.

    Under the assumption that there is absolute proof that increased gun control would reduce gun-related violence, then yes, I would like to see it on the table.
    Your premise is nonsense. You might as well argue about a “What if…?” scenario in which it is absolutely proven that painting pigs in different colors has a substantial effect on safety.

    This whole thread is an example of the GIGO principle at work. If you want to have a rational discussion, you need to start it based on a rational premise, and not some disproven left-wing statist fairy tale.
    The five great lies of the Left Wrong:
    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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