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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Would that mean that we should all have arms like that of the military and train as such? Seems like that means more military training. At least if are going to follow the founding fathers' intent only.

    But the fact is that they DID intend for home front defense as well. That website I provided included quotes from Thomas Paine, Patrick Henry, and Washington, and Jefferson on arms for defense against criminals. I would call that intent greater than militia.
    Right. Armed defense against criminals as well as being availiable for defense of the country in the form of the militia...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Keep digging your hole, you just can't accept that the AR-15 was the first version of the M-16, all this noise about development making them "not EXACTLY the same" is funny to watch....especially coming from someone complaining about credibility.

    Once again with the feeling...please.
    Dude? Really? The Colt AR-15 is a semi automatic ONLY rifle. Read what you quoted. The M16 is a selective fire rifle. They are Different. Technically speaking...the only rifle that can be called an AR15 is the colt product because they own the rights. Anyway.

    The ORIGINAL AR15 fired the .223 while the M16 used the 5.56 and because you know guns so well...you know those are different. I am not saying that the M16 and the AR 15 are not almost the same gun. They are. One is built for military specification, and the other for civilian specs.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    "Some" founders saying "it" is not the relevant point, the point still is that the courts have determined that the 2nd amendment does not grant a right to a citizen to possess military weaponry. Further, if the founders could see the weaponry available NOW, they would agree with the court findings.

    PS...the 2nd amendment was a compromise between the Congress and the 13 states, there were many competing and conflicting views.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Provide a quote of the founders discussing how they would agree or apologize for taken their name in vain.

    And citizens already have many military weapons...
    In Heller the majority rejected the view that the term "to bear arms" implies only the military use of arms:
    Before addressing the verbs “keep” and “bear,” we interpret their object: “Arms.” The term was applied, then as now, to weapons that were not specifically designed for military use and were not employed in a military capacity.

    District of Columbia v. Heller - 07-290 (2008) :: Justia US Supreme Court Center
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Right. Armed defense against criminals as well as being availiable for defense of the country in the form of the militia...
    An armed militia is not the proper response against all criminals. The founding fathers would understand the need to be ready at a moments notice...minutemen...and to be able to fight a threat to the homestead.

    Certainly you do not believe that you or I do not have the right to bear arms against and armed criminal threat?
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Dude? Really? The Colt AR-15 is a semi automatic ONLY rifle. Read what you quoted. The M16 is a selective fire rifle. They are Different. Technically speaking...the only rifle that can be called an AR15 is the colt product because they own the rights. Anyway.

    The ORIGINAL AR15 fired the .223 while the M16 used the 5.56 and because you know guns so well...you know those are different. I am not saying that the M16 and the AR 15 are not almost the same gun. They are. One is built for military specification, and the other for civilian specs.
    The AR-15 was first built by ArmaLite as a selective fire rifle for the United States armed forces. Because of financial problems, ArmaLite sold the AR-15 design to Colt. The select-fire AR-15 entered the US military system as the M16 rifle. Colt then marketed the Colt AR-15 as a semi-automatic version of the M16 rifle for civilian sales in 1963
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    So police officers are a class of prestige above non-cops and you want to see people become youtube sensations instead of defending themselves. Im not a cop and I have been shot at once and had a someone brandish a gun on me twice. So your personal experience really doesn't count for everyone's. (thankfully I didn't need a gun to get out of the situation in all these cases but that's not the point.)
    I have no idea what happened in your life to give you a feeling of inferiority against cops that you have to over compensate for. Its just not my problem.

    All I am saying is that they need certain tools to do their job.

    And since you don't do it, don't pretend that you do.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    You sorta ignored that word HINDER.
    Did not ignore it. If you are exercising your right - it has not been hindered.

    But go ahead on focus on one word and ignore the other half dozen if it reenforces your own ideological belief system. Look at one damn tree instead of the whole forest if it makes you feel secure in your own self imposed belief system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That being said, just what is (we all know, quite well, what is not) your desired public policy on civilian gun ownership and carrying procedures/rules/laws?
    I am strongly supportive of a citizens right to keep and bear arms as the Second Amendment states.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    #2 kinda renders your take on this inaccurate.
    Not at all. here is 2

    2. To break; to violate; to transgress; to neglect to fulfill or obey; as, to infringe a law.
    If the law permits you a firearm - your right has NOT been broken.
    If the law permits you a firearm - your right has NOT been transgressed.
    If the law permits you a firearm - your right has NOT been neglected or disobeyed.

    And lets consider the complete definition please. Do not focus on a single tree when the entire forest is before you. Unless of course the rest of the forest causes that single tree to appear otherwise than what you want it to be.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    "Some" founders saying "it" is not the relevant point, the point still is that the courts have determined that the 2nd amendment does not grant a right to a citizen to possess military weaponry. Further, if the founders could see the weaponry available NOW, they would agree with the court findings.
    Actually, all of them that made any statement concerning it were clearly stating that it is an armed populace that keeps their govt in check. Indisputable fact.

    PS...the 2nd amendment was a compromise between the Congress and the 13 states, there were many competing and conflicting views.
    And the right to bear arms was ratified.

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