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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    I was wondering what a "well regulated militia" was when the amendment was written.
    Given that the right to keep and bear arms, as protected by the constitution, belongs to the people, it is largely irrelevant.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And if you look in dictionaries of the day you will find out that the word INFRINGE does NOT mean what the NRA and gun culture believe it means today.

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    In the day of the era of the Constitution , INFRINGE meant to break of contravene or destroy . As long as the government does NOT do that, you still have your right to keep and bear arms and it is not being INFRINGED.
    You sorta ignored that word HINDER.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It is sad and pathetic that one cannot simply accept that there are legitimate differences in a question of public policy without having to resort to intentional and fraudulent deliberate distortion of a persons position not to mention silly name calling.
    That being said, just what is (we all know, quite well, what is not) your desired public policy on civilian gun ownership and carrying procedures/rules/laws?
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    So police officers are a class of prestige above non-cops and you want to see people become youtube sensations instead of defending themselves. Im not a cop and I have been shot at once and had a someone brandish a gun on me twice. So your personal experience really doesn't count for everyone's. (thankfully I didn't need a gun to get out of the situation in all these cases but that's not the point.)
    Again the argument was that citizens have the right to own weaponry that govt entities (militias, military, police) possess.

    This is a total falsehood, the 2nd Amendment does not give you this right as the courts have shown (my citations on the previous page bear this out).
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    I was wondering what a "well regulated militia" was when the amendment was written.
    Well regulated meant well trained. It meant being able to hit what one intended to. Militia? That was just a bunch of guys getting together to parade a bit and drink beer.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    I was wondering what a "well regulated militia" was when the amendment was written.
    Private citizens with their own weapons and the training to use them. Legally, the militia is still defined as any free man aged 18-45 that is capable of wielding a rifle in national defense-- it just isn't "well-regulated" because less than half of the militia owns appropriate weaponry and much less than half is adequately trained in militia tactics.

    As a matter of national defense, this is something I believe the government has a compelling and vested interest in correcting.

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    Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    The M16 (officially Rifle, Caliber 5.56 mm, M16) is the United States military designation for the AR-15 rifle adapted for semi-automatic, three-round burst and full-automatic fire.
    But there IS a difference right? Not the same gun. At least that is how I feel. Feel free to differ, but honestly...the design may be the same...but the internal parts make the difference.

    Kind of like a car...the same truck or car can have a 6 or 8 cylinder, but that hardly means that the 6 and 8 cylinder are capable of the same things. Economics vs horsepower. Semi vs auto? Economic vs horsepower lol(I you buy your own ammo anyway).
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    But there IS a difference right? Not the same gun. At least that is how I feel. Feel free to differ, but honestly...the design may be the same...but the internal parts make the difference.

    Kind of like a car...the same truck or car can have a 6 or 8 cylinder, but that hardly means that the 6 and 8 cylinder are capable of the same things. Economics vs horsepower. Semi vs auto? Economic vs horsepower lol(I you buy your own ammo anyway).
    I don't know why you keep on not understanding that the AR-15 was the basis for the M-16....and if you are going to say that developed variations of the weapon make it a Ford and not a Chevy, you are just relying far too much on feelings and not on knowledge.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't think so. If you have anything present it. I'll do a search once I get to my computer. Some are planned, but not most.
    No, there's usually a fair bit of planning involved in these mass murders.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I don't know why you keep on not understanding that the AR-15 was the basis for the M-16....and if you are going to say that developed variations of the weapon make it a Ford and not a Chevy, you are just relying far too much on feelings and not on knowledge.
    That's incorrect. The M-16 is the original weapon, the AR-15 is a civilianized version that came later.

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