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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I have some very good news for you, then:


    We're already part of the unorganized militia. This is how we can be drafted, because we're already affiliated with the military by default...the state can just 'call us up'. They're not enslaving a free man, they're activating a militiaman. The very purpose of the Selective Service is to record exactly who is in the unorganized militia should they need to be activated.

    I've long been of the opinion that a 2-year term or service should be mandatory for everyone upon turning 18, because when you turn 18 you become part of the militia whether you like it or not. This is forced on you like taxes, so IMO just roll with it, use it to your advantage. Even if you choose not to continue to serve in the military, you are still in the militia and so you should have some base-level training to accompany it. You could be summarily deputized during a natural disaster before relief comes. You could be part of a neighborhood watch, etc. These civil duties would be greatly served by basic military training.





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    Here we had to link to this law yeat again. We have to keep repeating ourselves, so rather than write it out manually over and over and over, a lot of us just save it to a word doc.
    Yes, there are some of the basics in law, but it is not complete. A gun owner should go to at least quarterly meetings and annual training, a few hours at urban style range. The member should pass some evaluation. Not allowed to have a gun otherwise.
    btw, I was in the USAF from June '68 'till '72. I did very well at the range. I was a target if the Viet Cong if they ever discovered what we did in that building on the perimeter. I was not allowed to have a gun because I didn't need one to do my military job.

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    Re: Gun Control

    If a magic wand were available, and I could take ALL guns, past, present and future and place them into the deepest depths of the ocean I would be the first to turn mine in. But That's fantasy.

    Guns are here. Here to stay. If Mr. Evil gets a gun then so do I.

    If I thought more regulation would have saved even one of those precious little lives, I would be all for it. But it can't and I'm not.

    Instead, I am going to sharpen my shooting skills.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    If a magic wand were available, and I could take ALL guns, past, present and future and place them into the deepest depths of the ocean I would be the first to turn mine in. But That's fantasy.
    I wouldn't, I still like the meat from hunting that is not available in the super market and there are still coyotes, raccoons, possums, wild hogs and others that still present a danger to myself, my domesticated animals and garden/crops in my areas. The county does have a trapper/hunter for these problems, but only one for the whole county. The places where I live, these critters, not stupid humans are the main threat.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Yes, there are some of the basics in law, but it is not complete. A gun owner should go to at least quarterly meetings and annual training, a few hours at urban style range. The member should pass some evaluation. Not allowed to have a gun otherwise.
    A clear violation of the 2nd amendment.

    However, if it were a requirement for concealed carry that could work. Heck if it were good training from the likes of Massad Ayoob or Chris Costa, I wouldn't miss a single one. Especially if its free range time/ammo and free training. But since this infringement is being made for the sake of the taxpayer's safety, such training should be on their dime.

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    btw, I was in the USAF from June '68 'till '72. I did very well at the range. I was a target if the Viet Cong if they ever discovered what we did in that building on the perimeter. I was not allowed to have a gun because I didn't need one to do my military job.
    Thanks for your service.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I would be for a ban on assault rifles if I didnt know they would still be available illegally. I personally find it hilarious that there are people that want to legalize drugs because they say you can get them illegally. Guns are the same thing...and they were the same thing.
    I dont believe civilians have a need for assault rifles personally, but you cant stop people from obtaining them by making them illegal.
    The lesson is, and has always been "Prohibition DOESN'T WORK!"

    No matter how many history lessons on the Volstead act people skip.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Gun Control

    This is my first time posting here but I will put in my two cents, if gun control would guarantee less violence I would support it in a heart beat. However, I feel like it is only one small part of the solution to solve our violence problem. We must come up with a more comprehensive way to approach the violence problem. Whether that is better mental health awareness or something else, I do not know. I just can't imagine simply taking away people's guns being the answer.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is nonsense - once you remove that pesky "shall not be infringed" then what is left of the right of the people to keep and bear arms? First you define "classes" of firearms, then you decide which of them may be subtracted from those "allowed". That was precisely the intent of the "assault rifle" ban. You even go so far as stating that effectiveness is not your concern - then what is?
    It was done in the 1930's with submachine guns. They ended up off the street and there were no added actions against the ownership of other weapons.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Take away guns and you have a few less shootings maybe. Doesn't address domestic abuse, rape, assaults, homicides by other means, etc. Address violence instead, and you are going after the true cause.

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    Re: Gun Control

    If you want less shootings, ending the war on drugs would be a far better choice. Never having had it in the first place, and we wouldn't have the gangs, the wealthy Mexican cartels, so many of our countrymen behind bars, the highest incarceration rate, and all that prison spending.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Connecticut currently has an assault weapons ban.

    The Bushmaster used in the school shooting was not an "assault weapon" under Connecticut law. The Bushmaster was not banned under the last Federal AWB, either. The rifle was legally perchesed and owned, and it's owner did not participate in any gun-related crime ever in her life.

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