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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If you bought a Colt AR-15 during the ban, you bought it illegally.
    You might as well stop posting after the statement. It shows your clearly are missing the fundamental knowledge of purchasing firearms, or firearms in general, to speak intelligently on the subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    You equate "citizens" with highly reponsible [sic] national leaders ??
    To see what uses our “highly reponsible [sic] national leaders” have made of the power and tax money that they have been allowed to seize, and how little accounting they offer thereof to the citizens of this nation who they are supposed to serve, I have to take issue with your use of the term “highly reponsible [sic]” in connection with them. If anything, the average citizen, who must make careful use of his own limited income and resources, and who is not empowered to seize as much as he wants from the populace in the form of taxes, is, of necessity, far more responsible than our national leaders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post



    Poppycock! All we have to do is look to other wealthy nations with gun control to see that it works.
    So you are saying that you can copy and paste the same rules from other nations and it will work perfectly? It doesn't matter that we have a significantly higher population, land mass, inner city poverty ratings, and simple numbers of firearms?

    I didn't know that was how it worked. So why does democracy not work in the Middle East?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    So you are saying that you can copy and paste the same rules from other nations and it will work perfectly? It doesn't matter that we have a significantly higher population, land mass, inner city poverty ratings, and simple numbers of firearms?
    Don't forget demographics, especially in high-crime areas, like our cities.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If you bought a Colt AR-15 during the ban, you bought it illegally.
    Not true, as the AWB listed combinations of features, meaning that the same basic weapon could be sold with no more than one of the "bad" (banned) features, but still was OK with any one feature on the "bad" list. Simply removing the flash suppressor (and threaded barrel end) and bayonette attachment lug made the initial AR-15 into the "AB"-15.

    Edit: Another possibility was to (re)buy a "banned" AR-15 but one that was made and sold (new) prior to the AWB effective start date.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post

    what you are saying is that cops deserve better stuff than other citizens because you value the lives of those who serve the state higher than those who pay the salaries of those living off the public dime
    If you tell me "what I am saying" at least have the decency to quote it. But you and i both know that is NOT what I am saying - that is your spin on my views designed to give you a standard talking point to reply to with your own standard talking point.

    Your life, my life, a cops life - nobody is saying one is higher. My point was clear. My point was unambiguous. My point was unmistakable. here it is again in case you were confused the first several times:

    YOU ARE NOT A COP AND YOU DON'T DO THEIR JOB. BECAUSE OF THAT YOU DO NOT NEED THE TOOLS THEY NEED.

    Clear on that now?

    Flush all the other crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What threat do police officers encounter that the general public does not? I am not talking about SWAT teams or snipers, but simply the normal, officer on the beat's everyday primary carry handgun. The typical service weapon is now a medium to large frame semi-automatic pistol in 9mm to .45 ACP caliber. I personally prefer a smaller caliber (.380), for less recoil, less likelyhood of penetration through the target and more control of a second shot (or two).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The vast majority of gun owners are not criminals, and the vast majority of guns owned by common citizens are never used to commit crimes. Surely a criminal who uses a firearm to commit a violent crime is at least as much an exception as someone like Turtledude is. And you advocate useless and severe restrictions on an explicitly-affirmed Constitutional right for all Americans, based on the actions of a few exceptions. This is inconsistent with your statement that “…we do not make policy or law for the individual who may well be the exception to the rule.”
    What explicitly affirmed Constitutional right for all Americans are you referring to?

    I dearly hope and pray your answer is not the Second Amendment because the only thing that does is prohibit the government from preventing you from keeping and bearing arms.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If you have to ask what is different about your daily life than that of a cop - its hopeless from the start.
    An excellent "cop out", as usual! The point that you failed to see is that the police protect "we the sheeple" from the same threats that we face. They normally encounter "crime in progress" only when it is reported to them by a citizen complaint (or alarm signal), via their dispatcher; in other words, they face the same threats as the "normal" people do (if they manage to arrive in time).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    They were okay with it, no standing army and all, all of the cannons were in private hands. Of course, if anything happened, you had to bring your cannon out with you to help quell the threat. That's not the case today, therefore the intent of the founding fathers is no longer being followed.
    Really? They wanted the populace to be able to be armed. Would you agree? Or do you follow the liberal misconception that it was the militia(which they wrongly identify as police forces) only?

    Now if you agree with that...would you agree that they would be ok with a civilian being armed with same standard equipment as a standard infantry men? At their time that would be a musket (our civilians having rifles...which were superior hunting weapons, but not as effective combat weapons).

    So that being said: our military standard infantry weapon is the m16 which is semi-auto and 3 round burst. That means it is technically fully automatic in gun regulations, and therefor illegal. The AR platform that civilians use is semi-automatic. Essentially the same weapon. Would the founding fathers really disagree with civilian access to that? Given that the military is a standing professional army and the founding fathers didnt like those?

    I would also certainly ask you if you think that the founding fathers didn't consider home/frontier defense and good consumption?
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