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    Re: Gun Control

    Here's something I found. It's only a summary paragraph, but I'm pretty sure you have to pay to see the whole article, and I'm not going to do that, so this will have to do. It pretty much describes the shooter in the most recent incident.

    The "pseudocommando" mass murderer:... [J Am Acad Psychiatry Law. 2010] - PubMed - NCBI

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    The pseudocommando is a type of mass murderer who kills in public during the daytime, plans his offense well in advance, and comes prepared with a powerful arsenal of weapons. He has no escape planned and expects to be killed during the incident. Research suggests that the pseudocommando is driven by strong feelings of anger and resentment, flowing from beliefs about being persecuted or grossly mistreated. He views himself as carrying out a highly personal agenda of payback. Some mass murderers take special steps to send a final communication to the public or news media; these communications, to date, have received little detailed analysis. An offender's use of language may reveal important data about his state of mind, motivation, and psychopathology. Part I of this article reviews the research on the pseudocommando, as well as the psychology of revenge, with special attention to revenge fantasies. It is argued that revenge fantasies become the last refuge for the pseudocommando's mortally wounded self-esteem and ultimately enable him to commit mass murder-suicide.

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    This one is absolutely fascinating. If you have the time, I suggest you read the whole thing, but here is an excerpt.

    The Sociological Eye: CLUES TO MASS RAMPAGE KILLERS: DEEP BACKSTAGE, HIDDEN ARSENAL, CLANDESTINE EXCITEMENT

    What can the micro-sociology of violence contribute to understanding the mass killings in Aurora, Colorado, and similar incidents? In the immediate shock of public attention, there is an imperative to give policy answers. I could join the chorus advocating a ban on weapons in the USA. This is a hope; it is not a guarantee. Mass shootings are very rare events. There are about 15,000 homicides per year in the USA; the great majority are single-victim killings. Less than 1% are mass killings (4 or more victims in the same incident). Spectacular mass shootings, where many persons are killed or wounded, have been happening at a rate of about 1 or 2 per year, in the 30 years since 1980, for the most common type, school shootings; shootings in other venues, apparently imitating school shootings, are rarer but on the rise. It is their rarity that attracts so much attention, and their out-of-the-blue, seemingly random relationship between killer and victims, that makes them so dramatically alarming.

    This rarity means that very distinctive circumstances are needed to explain mass killings, and that widely available conditions cannot be very accurate predictors. There are approximately 190 million firearms in the civilian population in America, in a population of 310 million. The vast majority of these guns are not used to kill people. Even if we focus on the total number of yearly homicides by gun (about 12,000), the percentage of guns that kill someone is about 12,000 / 190,000,000, or 1 in 16,000. Another way to put it: of approximately 44 million gun owners in the US, 99.97% of them do not murder anyone. It is not surprising that their owners resist being accused of abetting murder.

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    I don't think instituting stricter gun control laws will help (though I do believe we need to eliminate the loopholes that allow people to avoid background checks, such as purchases at gun shows). The Columbine massacre occurred when the Assault Weapons ban was in place. The three most deadly domestic attacks in the United States also had nothing to do with firearms: the 1927 Bath Bombings in Michigan, the Oklahoma City Bombing, and even 9/11 itself. Even where gun control laws are rampant, like Norway, you still have horrific tragedies like the 2011 attacks against the Labor Party. Those that are determined to hurt people will find a way. It is just a sad fact.

    Statistics show that the more guns a nation has, the lower its crime rate. When Britain and Australia instituted wide-spread firearm bans, crime rates increased. Switzerland, which has one of the highest guns per capita in the world, has a very low crime rate. Of course, this makes perfect sense since gun control only takes guns away from the honest citizen; those with criminal intentions aren't going to listen to laws that prohibit firearms or a certain subset of them. And even if there truly are no firearms available in a nation, they will find other means. Look at the many incidents where this is true.

    Thus, instead of infringing upon our Second Amendment rights, we should make it easier to be properly trained with a firearm to increase the ability for people to act in self defense and in defense of others (on a similar note, gun safes and gun locks should be highly encouraged to prevent accidents with firearms). We should also make it easier to treat those with mental health issues. The vast majority of perpetrators of tragedies like Newtown and Virginia Tech had serious problems that should have received professional attention. Of course, we also need to do something about our culture of violence as so many others have pointed out. Truth be told, I'm not quite sure how to approach that necessary culture change, but I question if legally prohibiting it in video games and movies will do it. It's far more pervasive than that.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    This one is absolutely fascinating. If you have the time, I suggest you read the whole thing, but here is an excerpt.

    The Sociological Eye: CLUES TO MASS RAMPAGE KILLERS: DEEP BACKSTAGE, HIDDEN ARSENAL, CLANDESTINE EXCITEMENT

    What can the micro-sociology of violence contribute to understanding the mass killings in Aurora, Colorado, and similar incidents? In the immediate shock of public attention, there is an imperative to give policy answers. I could join the chorus advocating a ban on weapons in the USA. This is a hope; it is not a guarantee. Mass shootings are very rare events. There are about 15,000 homicides per year in the USA; the great majority are single-victim killings. Less than 1% are mass killings (4 or more victims in the same incident). Spectacular mass shootings, where many persons are killed or wounded, have been happening at a rate of about 1 or 2 per year, in the 30 years since 1980, for the most common type, school shootings; shootings in other venues, apparently imitating school shootings, are rarer but on the rise. It is their rarity that attracts so much attention, and their out-of-the-blue, seemingly random relationship between killer and victims, that makes them so dramatically alarming.

    This rarity means that very distinctive circumstances are needed to explain mass killings, and that widely available conditions cannot be very accurate predictors. There are approximately 190 million firearms in the civilian population in America, in a population of 310 million. The vast majority of these guns are not used to kill people. Even if we focus on the total number of yearly homicides by gun (about 12,000), the percentage of guns that kill someone is about 12,000 / 190,000,000, or 1 in 16,000. Another way to put it: of approximately 44 million gun owners in the US, 99.97% of them do not murder anyone. It is not surprising that their owners resist being accused of abetting murder.
    Good and interesting stuff. Kudos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Good and interesting stuff. Kudos.
    Thanks! I thought so too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I was being generous. its closer to 100%
    And I was being much to kind about you pulling it out of thin air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Why are you nitpicking about unimportant things. Discuss the topic please instead of going off on a tangent.
    People pulling stats out of..... wherever is the sure sign of an intellectual fraud. That should bother you.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And I was being much to kind about you pulling it out of thin air.
    well I suppose I could ask you why most of the anti gun posters whine about the NRA and not criminals

    I could ask you why everyone of the most anti gun posters admit to being "progressive" or very liberal

    everything wrong one can do with a gun is illegal. use a gun in a crime you get extra years. in some states many years

    its illegal to possess a gun with the INTENT to use it in a crime

    its illegal to posses a gun if you are a fugitive, have a felony or DV record, etc

    so who is affected by laws that limit magazine capacity or flash hiders on rifles etc?

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so who is affected by laws that limit magazine capacity?
    Those that wish to kill large numbers of people without reloading.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Those that wish to kill large numbers of people without reloading.
    so police officers carry such weapons so they can kill large numbers of people without reloading?

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