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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by finebead View Post
    It would slow down the shooter and give people a chance to rush him while he reloaded. If there were no advantage to a semi auto rifle, the army would still issue 1903 Springfields, but no army today goes to war with bolt actions, because they are too slow. You can't eliminate all homicides, but in these school situations, you can limit the carnage. The other option is to go the British route and store all guns at gun clubs and only allow their use there, and I would not push that far. There are clear needs for firearms in rural america.
    The VA Tech shooter shot adults using only handguns which required reloading. A college campus full of unarmed victims waiting under their desk to be the next guy shot.

    Ever and always...the first response to problems is 'pass a gun law'. Perhaps there are better solutions to the problem, beginning with teaching people how to not lie down and what for their opportunity to die.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Correct - I am addressing what you did not (or will not) say. You took great pains to say that there are reasons to oppose an "assault wepons" ban, yet named none. I am asserting that "incremental" chipping away at the second amendment is what is being sought, not using (requiring) any Constitutional action at all. Redefining, or narrowing what is a "legal" firearm, is precisely the action that many are offering - what are you suggesting as the "reason" to not do so?
    Not making the argument, so why would I make it. Instead, I took issue with your use of a fallacy.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I can't explain South Dakota's record. But if we are to make a difference, then we as a nation need to find out.
    I will tell you our secret, and it has nothing to do with guns either way: We have a great local economy. Last I checked I our unemployment was 4.2, half the national average, and we have great career opportunities in SD and in the surrounding states (someone who's family is in SD may work in Gillette, WO, for example).

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Re gun registration. I'm not exactly sure what good it would do. But I'm sure experts have some ideas. Why do we register cars and boats? And what good is a failed monthly background check do if the only thing it accomplishes is to revoke someone's license? Who puts teeth in that failed check and collects the guns??
    The problem is that guns are NOT treated like cars. Car registration has never been used for mass car confiscation. Gun registration has been used for mass confiscation by many countries.

    Gun aren't treated like cars, in that you can't get a gun license which all 50 states are forced to honor. In public, if you have a car, you're normal, you blend right into the crowd, but if you have a gun you're treated with suspicion, even-though cars kill more people. You don't see anyone clamoring to make texting-while-shooting laws. If you own a large collection of guns, you're thought of as paranoid, but if you own a large collection of cars, you're seen as a harmless collector.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I will tell you our secret, and it has nothing to do with guns either way: We have a great local economy. Last I checked I our unemployment was 4.2, half the national average, and we have great career opportunities in SD and in the surrounding states (someone who's family is in SD may work in Gillette, WO, for example).


    The problem is that guns are NOT treated like cars. Car registration has never been used for mass car confiscation. Gun registration has been used for mass confiscation by many countries.

    Gun aren't treated like cars, in that you can't get a gun license which all 50 states are forced to honor. In public, if you have a car, you're normal, you blend right into the crowd, but if you have a gun you're treated with suspicion, even-though cars kill more people. You don't see anyone clamoring to make texting-while-shooting laws. If you own a large collection of guns, you're thought of as paranoid, but if you own a large collection of cars, you're seen as a harmless collector.
    Well! Now there's a good point. Why do we not have a Federal Firearms License that is honored in all 50 states? I don't disagree with much of what you said here. Oh! South Dakota's employment numbers are awesome!!
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    Re: Gun Control

    I doubt it.

    Gun control laws only affect those who legally own firearms.

    It's likely the majority of crazies and would-be criminals don't care about the law that much.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I can't explain South Dakota's record. But if we are to make a difference, then we as a nation need to find out.
    Actually, I don't believe that the difference is all that to explain. Simply look at the differences in Population Density, Unemployment, welfare rates, Economic disparity, poverty levels, etc.

    Population Density alone could account for a lot of it. There is no doubt, at least not to me, that the majority of violent crimes happen in areas of high population Density.

    I am hesitant to include racial factors. Blacks and Hispanics, the two largest minority races in the US, seem to kill each other more than they kill members of a different race. Also, I don't believe it is actually related to race but to economic/social factors affecting a large part of these races.

    Regardless of race, violent crime seems to occur much more often in poor, high population density areas. Since S. Dakota has far fewer of these than Illinois, they have less violent crime.

    Also, although I haven't seen direct evidence, I believe that S. Dakota also has much less economic disparity among it's population.

    The disparity in crime rates and difference in gun laws can lead someone to the conclusion that these social factors, have a much greater affect on violent crime than gun laws too. Other social factors to look at also is number of single parent families, divorce rates, religious affiliations, educational environments, percentage of hunters and gun ownership. These would give us a better understanding of the Discipline given children, stress levels experienced by children, and whether or not they have been introduced to and taught gun safety and proper use.

    I don't know how others were taught, but when, as a kid, I got my first BB gun, the fist time the barrel pointed at a person, I got it smacked out of my hands. A quote by John Wayne, from Big Jake can pretty much sum up my years as a gun owner,

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    Re: Gun Control

    I would be for a ban on assault rifles if I didnt know they would still be available illegally. I personally find it hilarious that there are people that want to legalize drugs because they say you can get them illegally. Guns are the same thing...and they were the same thing.
    I dont believe civilians have a need for assault rifles personally, but you cant stop people from obtaining them by making them illegal.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Do you believe that all those 30 round magazines are going to disappear overnight?

    In schools situations, there is nothing you can really do to limit the carnage by restricting magazine capacity.
    Little kids aren't going to rush a shooter.
    I have money set aside, and as soon as it looks like they'll pass an AWB, I'm buying an AR and a few 60 round mags.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    I have already posted one thread in regards to the mass shootings, trying to bring together ideas on the most effective way to slow gun related violence and try to eliminate these mass shootings.

    This poll is more black and white because I am simply wondering would you be in favor of more gun control if it had the potential to reduce violence.
    Does anyone know how Lanza got the guns that he did have?

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I would be for a ban on assault rifles if I didnt know they would still be available illegally. I personally find it hilarious that there are people that want to legalize drugs because they say you can get them illegally. Guns are the same thing...and they were the same thing.
    I dont believe civilians have a need for assault rifles personally, but you cant stop people from obtaining them by making them illegal.
    Assault rifles been banned since 1986.

    There's a way to get one if you're a licensed collector and have a lot of money, but you can't go down to Wall-Mart and buy an assault rifle.

    Anyway, no assault rifle was used in either of these shootings.

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