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    Re: Gun Control

    Here is an interesting viewpoint that kind of puts things into perspective.

    Gun Bans Won't Work

    Prohibition

    The US engaged in a very interesting experiment between 1920 and 1933: it banned the manufacture, transportation and sale of alcohol. What was learned?
    Alcohol consumption did not end, despite significant efforts by Federal, state and local governments;
    Making the production and sale of alcohol illegal simply meant the market was served by criminals;
    Violence increased as different gangs fought over market control;
    Alcohol prices increased significantly;
    The quality of the alcohol products varied, creating greater health risks.
    Drugs

    I just completed an article on US drug policies. The US bans the possession, production and sale of many drugs. Have the bans worked? No. Recognizing that no country has come even close to doing as much as the US has to reduce illicit drug use, the US rankings on prevalence of use (among countries with populations of 1 million and up) are Cannabis – 4th, opium – 1st, Amphetamines – 5th, Cocaine – 5th, and Ecstasy – 11th.

    I concluded the US “drug war” is worse than Prohibition because it has created a criminal element resulting in nearly 100,000 homicides per year. The US has by far the highest incarceration rate of any country in the world (730 prisoners per 100,000 citizens). And 25% of the prisoners are non-violent drug offenders.

    Since 1996, the US government has spent more than $150 billion to cut off illicit drug supplies. Last year, the government spent more than $15 billion to reduce supplies, with 36% of that going to “domestic law enforcement” and 16% to “domestic interdiction”. More than $2 billion was spent internationally.

    Despite these efforts, I estimate US illegal drug sales at $400 billion annually.

    In short, the drug bans are not working.

    Smoking

    What has been done in the US with cigarettes is interesting. Smoking is a well-documented real killer – more than 400,000 die annually in the US from smoking. Nevertheless, smoking is legal. But what has been done to curb smoking is working: the adult smoking rate has fallen from over 40% in 1965 to under 20% today.

    So what is being done to curb smoking? While cigarettes can by bought, their sale to minors is restricted. They are taxed heavily (taxes levied per pack are the equivalent to a 71% rate, and campaigns about their dangers are continually run.)

    Prostitution

    Nevada is the only state where prostitution is legal. Does that mean the bans in the other 49 states are working? No. The bans are not serious, just politically correct.

    Overeating

    Overeating is a dangerous addiction. The only restriction I know of is Mayor Bloomberg’s limitation on the size of soft drinks in NYC.

    Conclusions

    What are the lessons from this review for new gun restrictions? In the US, if there is a market for a product, it will be served. Bans don’t work. Banning any type of gun will result in the market being served by criminals. Approximately 10 million guns are sold legally in the US every year[1] – a big business.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so tell us why are you OK with an infringement on other peoples' rights

    that seems rather cavalier
    I don't consider it an infringement. I believe it is established law that weapons can be regulated. You're free to own weapons, and are only regulated as to which ones. No REAL infringement.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't consider it an infringement. I believe it is established law that weapons can be regulated. You're free to own weapons, and are only regulated as to which ones. No REAL infringement.
    that is dishonest and stupid. you have to show a justification for a law beyond saying you don't think it infringes on the RIGHTS of others

    it would be like me saying I am OK with laws against homosexual sodomy noting that gay men can have sex with women. its easy to say stuff that impacts activities you do not engage in aren't infringements

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As I said earlier, criminals don't worry me. Stupid and mentally I'll people concern me more.

    But, the question I was asked concern my support. As I said, I'm ok with it, and my reasoning has nothing to do with criminals.
    Yes, but now I am asking you a question.

    What do you mean criminals don't bother you? Those are the ones who should bother you the most because that is where MOST gun violence happens, during home invasions, robberies, etc. School shootings are actually pretty rare. Our 24/7 news cycle makes it look like these incidents are much more common than they actually are. A gun ban or tighter restrictions do not keep guns out of the hands of anyone but the law-abiding people. Even people with a mental illness can get guns illegally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes, but now I am asking you a question.

    What do you mean criminals don't bother you? Those are the ones who should bother you the most because that is where MOST gun violence happens, during home invasions, robberies, etc. School shootings are actually pretty rare. Our 24/7 news cycle makes it look like these incidents are much more common than they actually are. A gun ban or tighter restrictions do not keep guns out of the hands of anyone but the law-abiding people. Even people with a mental illness can get guns illegally.
    when he made that comment his slip was showing. its all about hassling honest gun owners

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well do tell us what your reasoning is given crime control is not a factor

    what else can possibly justify infringing on the rights of non-criminals
    As I said, stupid people and mentally people concern me. There's not really any practical reason for such weapons outside a war zone, and in the hands of the stupid and the mentally ill can be quite deadly. As I said, not a huge issue, but something that would not upset me in the least.

    Btw, ten years on an ambulance, I never picked up anyone shot a criminal or any criminal shot by a victim. However, stupid people shot each other a lot. While my personal experience isn't a large enough sample, stats do back up that is who is getting shot the most. Accidental shootings and suicides far out weight any other deaths by gun shot. I only tell so you know what influences my views. Stupid people concern me.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is dishonest and stupid. you have to show a justification for a law beyond saying you don't think it infringes on the RIGHTS of others

    it would be like me saying I am OK with laws against homosexual sodomy noting that gay men can have sex with women. its easy to say stuff that impacts activities you do not engage in aren't infringements
    So an opinion you don't like is dishonest?

    You're getting lazy TD. Anyway, read my last post to you for a reason.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As I said, stupid people and mentally people concern me. There's not really any practical reason for such weapons outside a war zone, and in the hands of the stupid and the mentally ill can be quite deadly. As I said, not a huge issue, but something that would not upset me in the least.

    Btw, ten years on an ambulance, I never picked up anyone shot a criminal or any criminal shot by a victim. However, stupid people shot each other a lot. While my personal experience isn't a large enough sample, stats do back up that is who is getting shot the most. Accidental shootings and suicides far out weight any other deaths by gun shot. I only tell so you know what influences my views. Stupid people concern me.
    so are civilian cops in a war zone? geez that is a stupid comment.

    I shot a criminal, I cannot help it that you think your experience can be extrapolated to the rest of the use

    how are accidents and suicides more likely to take place with a 30 round weapon vs a 5 round one

    do you realize how moronic your reasons are.

    accidental discharges don't involve more than one or two rounds

    suicides-tought to have more than ONE shot (unless you were one of those troopers who had dirt on clinton and died from THREE GUNSHOTS TO THE BACK OF THEIR HEAD and have it ruled a suicide)

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As I said, stupid people and mentally people concern me. There's not really any practical reason for such weapons outside a war zone, and in the hands of the stupid and the mentally ill can be quite deadly. As I said, not a huge issue, but something that would not upset me in the least.

    Btw, ten years on an ambulance, I never picked up anyone shot a criminal or any criminal shot by a victim. However, stupid people shot each other a lot. While my personal experience isn't a large enough sample, stats do back up that is who is getting shot the most. Accidental shootings and suicides far out weight any other deaths by gun shot. I only tell so you know what influences my views. Stupid people concern me.
    Yeah but I think stupid people will find many other ways to hurt and even kill themselves without a gun. Don't you?

    Why do people keep bringing suicide into this, especially liberals? On just about every suicide thread, they are ALL for allowing people to commit suicide. Does it matter what tool they use to do it? You should just leave suicide out of it. Those people want to die and will find another way.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So an opinion you don't like is dishonest?

    You're getting lazy TD. Anyway, read my last post to you for a reason.
    its stupid to say you support restrictions that have nothing to do with stopping the stupid from having gun accidents or suicides

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