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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I do not agree, as no other rich nation has as many homicides as the US does with guns.





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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The previous ban wasn't long enough to significantly reduce the number of these guns out there, and this time other measures are also being proposed, like finally closing the private sales loophole that allows guns to be purchased without a background check and waiting period.

    Glad to hear thought that this ban will be no hardship for fellows like you who believe there is no advantage in assault weapons and high capacity mags!
    As long as replacements are offered free of charge, i.e. trade two 15-round magazines for a three 10-round magazines, or allow them to be grandfathered in, I have no problem with it. The problem occurs with offering no "fair market" funds for the "taking" of private legally owned private property.
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    Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    But you're missing the whole point. In many of these cases, the Supreme Court is basically inventing new application out of whole cloth because what came before simply does not apply in any way, shape or form to new technologies, new ideas, etc. It's not a matter of deciding what the founding fathers intended, they didn't intend anything, they couldn't have imagined these things in their wildest dreams, it's just making up new ideas and trying to shoehorn them into the writings of people who died almost 250 years ago. I seriously doubt they intended their ideas to be the only driving force for the nation for centuries to come, nor could they have foreseen the kind of polarization that's come to pass that makes ratifying any new ideas into the Constitution basically impossible.
    But they certainly would understand the concept that "we the people" should be able to have the best option for self defense an hunting. I am also willing to bet that they would have been ok with cannons, especially for merchants who come under piracy threat.

    Of course we take that with some reasonable thought and restrict heavy artillery and explosives. But I don't think they would be opposed to a civilian population being able to arm themselves the same as a standard I infantrymen.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    As long as replacements are offered free of charge, i.e. trade two 15-round magazines for a three 10-round magazines, or allow them to be grandfathered in, I have no problem with it. The problem occurs with offering no "fair market" funds for the "taking" of private legally owned private property.
    I have heard of no proposal to take guns already purchased by law abiding citizens. Some localities have instituted buy back programs.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So you think it should be very easy to purchase a firearm? Just as easy as shopping for groceries at Walmart?
    At least as easy as it is for criminals, which is quite easy.

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    Re: Gun Control

    [QUOTE=haymarket;1061274207]
    You gave us a definition which had
    1- modern meanings of the word INFRINGED, and
    2- the meaning of the word INFRINGED which was labeled as OBSOLETE

    The modern definition applies to this period of time. The obsolete definition applies to the time period of the Second Amendments writing.
    Good Lord! Both definitions could be applicable, but given the context of the SA, it is obvious that the first definition applies. Anyone with half a brain could figure that out. Of course, I don't put SOME people above being intellectually dishonest about it. Example above.

    This is NOT about my interpretation. It is about the definition that you provided for us and the meaning of the term at the time the Amendment was written.
    Infringe still means to restrict our rights. It is really quite simple. I'm so sorry that you have such a difficult time understanding the meanings of words in the context of what the Second Amendment is supposed to mean to us.

    Everyone knows that the word was used to prevent the government from taking the right to bear arms away from citizens of the United States. It is also obvious because at the time the document was written, we had been fighting off an oppressive government (or monarchy if you prefer). The context of the written words in combination with what was happening at the time the amendment was added makes it quite obvious that our new government was trying to prevent tyranny and injustice to United States citizens.

    Really, Haymarket, it doesn't take a rocket scientist.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    As long as replacements are offered free of charge, i.e. trade two 15-round magazines for a three 10-round magazines, or allow them to be grandfathered in, I have no problem with it. The problem occurs with offering no "fair market" funds for the "taking" of private legally owned private property.
    Or in my case, six 10rnd mags for every 60rnd mag I choose to turn in.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Herre it is for you and from you post 303 and many many many after that in which the participants agreed to use that definition

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/gun-co...-194-a-31.html

    You provided the definition.
    You agreed to its use.

    Of course, after you came to realize that the only part that actually applied in the historical being discussed was the part you provided labeled as OBSOLETE, you tried to back pedal away from it since it did not conform to the modern NRA party line that you endorse.

    But that changes nothing. It still came from you and was agreed upon my you, Federalist, myself and others as the one to use. It was Federalist who challenged me to show that the OBSOLETE definition was applicable in that time period and I then did that. And that seemed to make some folks very unhappy.
    I don't know who you think you're fooling. You NEVER prove any of your claims.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    I'm not afraid of dogs. I have a gun.
    Dumb criminal breaks into a place with a dog.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Nobody is asserting that you must keep a gun for home/personal defense, yet you seem to assert "knowing better" and wish to impose your "don't do that" beliefs upon others. Some people have definitely used guns to save the loss of life and property, others have had terrible outcomes from domestic violence, suicides or accidents. Each person, must make that personal decision, but also must remain allowed to do so according to our Constitution. Freedom is very closely linked to personal responsibility, desire for an althoritarian form of gov't, aka the nanny state, has not shown sufficient appeal, thus far, to amend our Constitution. Until that time comes, please respect both our freedom and our Constitution and I will respect your personal decision to not keep and bear arms.
    Just know the statistics. Link a mention of those too. I'm not calling for any law to recent you, but I do want to help you be safer.

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