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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    5 cases against 62 does not make A case, and those five only met one of the criteria used in the Mother Earth study.

    "There is no evidence indicating that arming Americans further will help prevent mass shootings or reduce the carnage, says Dr. Stephen Hargarten, a leading expert on emergency medicine and gun violence at the Medical College of Wisconsin. To the contrary, there appears to be a relationship between the proliferation of firearms and a rise in mass shootings: By our count, there have been two per year on average since 1982. Yet 25 of the 62 cases we examined have occurred since 2006. This year alone there have already been seven mass shootings—and a record number of casualties, with more than 140 people injured and killed.

    Armed civilians attempting to intervene are actually more likely to increase the bloodshed, says Hargarten, "given that civilian shooters are less likely to hit their targets than police in these circumstances." A chaotic scene in August at the Empire State Building put this starkly into perspective when New York City police officers confronting a gunman wounded nine innocent bystanders."

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    I think the good doctor is full of ****. He's cherry picking numbers. Remember the recent one in NYC where the guy went to shoot his old boss and the police shot 9 bystanders trying to take the guy down? I do a fair big of shooting, I have only met 2 LEOs I would consider good shots. Suggesting that LEOs are better shots than civilians suggests that they practice more. That is simply not a safe assessment. Even members of the military I've talked to complain that they lack the access to ammunition to be able to shoot enough to be proficient.

    Meanwhile, while the Obama administration is in a hurry to make us all safer by enacting new gun laws,

    Brownells sells 3.5 years' worth of magazines in 36 hours


    Way to go guys. What was your intent again? You wanted to limit access to high capacity magazines, right? Well congratulations! You have just caused the number of high capacity magazines in civilian hands to multiply exponentially. That would be like Obama making a speech about how we need to increase the number of people on food stamps and in the next 2 days hundreds of thousands of people drop dead from starvation. I keep in touch with the owners of the local gun shops (they are friends of mine) there is not a single "assault rifle" to be had in the area, they have all sold. The ammo case at the local WalMart is barren, sold out. Gun prices on sites like GunBroker.com have gone up over 30%. There are a few models I watch to see how they are trending, it seems to be the semiauto rifles that have gone up the most. I am so inspired that I am listing one of my custom 22s this week, it will likely bring me a few hundred dollars more than it would have a month ago. It's a seller's market baby, and we are making the money while we can. Thanks Obama, you ignorant prick. Did you really not see that coming? And if you are that clueless on this, what do you think will happen with his other policies?

    BTW, I don't honestly think anything meaningful will come from Joe BiteMe being put in charge of new antigun legislation. First, he wouldn't know an "assault rifle" if you handed him one. Second, within the past week there are more first time gun owners out there than in the last 2 years.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Serious. If a gang makes a living off of home invasion and robbery they dont go in with just 1 person. It could be 2,3, hell maybe even more than 5. If all of them are armed then a full auto sure would come in handy for defense.
    I recommend using the brain. A good dog or two.



    Statistics and various studies show that yes, it might, but they also show that having a gun in the home is also potentially very dangerous, so the net aggregate outcome (and economists have strong armed us into thinking that net aggregate outcomes are the only criteria that are acceptable, bless their pointy heads) of having a gun in the home is that someone in your home is more likely to be shot and possibly killed than that the gun will be used to thwart a home invasion.

    But enough about facts, . . . .

    Will your gun help you in the case of a home invasion? – Greg Laden's Blog

    Few statistics are available on the crime of home invasion as such, because it is not defined as a crime in its own right in most jurisdictions. Statistics about home invasion found on the Internet are often false or misleading.[16] Persons arrested for what the police or media may refer to as "home invasion" are actually charged with crimes such as robbery, kidnapping, homicide, rape, or assault.

    Home invasion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I can't justify the value of a semi-automatic for personal self defense with so many innocent people killed in this country with semi-automatic weapons with high capacity mags. And its looking like more and more people are feeling that way too.
    Nobody is asking you to "justify the value" of their choice in personal defense weapons, nor are they asking you to accept gun crime. But you must get it through your head that one is a Constitutional right while the other is a crime that deserves a stiff sentence.

    Recreational drugs are banned in every state and by federal law yet they are available 24/7/365 and largely responsible for much of the gang/criminal violence that you so detest, yet liberals are doing their best to ignore that fact. Banning things, that are in demand, does not make them "go away" it simply transfers the marketing and control from gov't to criminal elements. Look at the success of the AWB in Mexico for a nearby example.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I recommend using the brain. A good dog or two.



    Statistics and various studies show that yes, it might, but they also show that having a gun in the home is also potentially very dangerous, so the net aggregate outcome (and economists have strong armed us into thinking that net aggregate outcomes are the only criteria that are acceptable, bless their pointy heads) of having a gun in the home is that someone in your home is more likely to be shot and possibly killed than that the gun will be used to thwart a home invasion.

    But enough about facts, . . . .

    Will your gun help you in the case of a home invasion? – Greg Laden's Blog

    Few statistics are available on the crime of home invasion as such, because it is not defined as a crime in its own right in most jurisdictions. Statistics about home invasion found on the Internet are often false or misleading.[16] Persons arrested for what the police or media may refer to as "home invasion" are actually charged with crimes such as robbery, kidnapping, homicide, rape, or assault.

    Home invasion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Ya man.... everyone knows that dogs are made of Teflon.
    Nope. And they don't have to be.

    Burglars said they don’t like dogs or alarm systems. 44% said a barking dog would prevent them from breaking into a house or business. Another 56% suggested homeowners get a dog in order to prevent break-ins. The only deterrent that rated higher was “having people around.”

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nope. And they don't have to be.

    Burglars said they don’t like dogs or alarm systems. 44% said a barking dog would prevent them from breaking into a house or business. Another 56% suggested homeowners get a dog in order to prevent break-ins. The only deterrent that rated higher was “having people around.”

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    Sure thats common sense. But a 5 man invasion would have LOTS of planning. If they know you have something worth taking they would plan around it. From poisoning your dog a day ahead of time, to hitting it with a taser or crossbow, to just shooting the damn thing. Against a 5 man invasion I rather have a full auto or a shotgun shells with wide spread with the dog as extra protection/deterrence/early warning.

    44% said a barking dog would prevent them from breaking into a house or business.
    What about that other 66%?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Sure thats common sense. But a 5 man invasion would have LOTS of planning. If they know you have something worth taking they would plan around it. From poisoning your dog a day ahead of time, to hitting it with a taser or crossbow, to just shooting the damn thing. Against a 5 man invasion I rather have a full auto or a shotgun shells with wide spread with the dog as extra protection/deterrence/early warning.



    What about that other 66%?
    And that planning would be to pick another house.

    The other 66% didn't run into a place with a dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And that planning would be to pick another house.

    The other 66% didn't run into a place with a dog.
    I'm not afraid of dogs. I have a gun.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I recommend using the brain. A good dog or two.



    Statistics and various studies show that yes, it might, but they also show that having a gun in the home is also potentially very dangerous, so the net aggregate outcome (and economists have strong armed us into thinking that net aggregate outcomes are the only criteria that are acceptable, bless their pointy heads) of having a gun in the home is that someone in your home is more likely to be shot and possibly killed than that the gun will be used to thwart a home invasion.

    But enough about facts, . . . .

    Will your gun help you in the case of a home invasion? – Greg Laden's Blog

    Few statistics are available on the crime of home invasion as such, because it is not defined as a crime in its own right in most jurisdictions. Statistics about home invasion found on the Internet are often false or misleading.[16] Persons arrested for what the police or media may refer to as "home invasion" are actually charged with crimes such as robbery, kidnapping, homicide, rape, or assault.

    Home invasion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Nobody is asserting that you must keep a gun for home/personal defense, yet you seem to assert "knowing better" and wish to impose your "don't do that" beliefs upon others. Some people have definitely used guns to save the loss of life and property, others have had terrible outcomes from domestic violence, suicides or accidents. Each person, must make that personal decision, but also must remain allowed to do so according to our Constitution. Freedom is very closely linked to personal responsibility, desire for an althoritarian form of gov't, aka the nanny state, has not shown sufficient appeal, thus far, to amend our Constitution. Until that time comes, please respect both our freedom and our Constitution and I will respect your personal decision to not keep and bear arms.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And that planning would be to pick another house.

    The other 66% didn't run into a place with a dog.
    Actually according to logic wouldn't 66% NOT be deterred by a dog? And 44% would plan another house?
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