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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Are you trying to say an American can only defend his woman from a rapist if he has an assault weapon on him? You have a very low opinion of American's Sir!
    Here in the United States, many Conservative women carry guns and defend themselves. Is that OK with you?

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Law abiding citizens have no use for assault weapons and high capacity magazines. They are illegal in your country, are they not?
    That has no relationship to the discussion. The problem is illegally obtained and owned weapons. It doesn't matter what the law-abiding own. I could own a full auto machine gun, and you would not be in any more danger than you are right now, nor would anyone else. I'm not criminally-minded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    That has no relationship to the discussion. The problem is illegally obtained and owned weapons. It doesn't matter what the law-abiding own. I could own a full auto machine gun, and you would not be in any more danger than you are right now, nor would anyone else. I'm not criminally-minded.

    The hell it doesn't those are the guns and mags being considered for a ban. The absence of which creates no hardship for responsible gun owners. Doesn't your own country ban these weapons and mags?
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You need an assault weapon to defend your woman?
    Define "assault weapon" and I will answer that question. Many are now talking about limiting magazine capacity on all firearms, even this one: Taurus PT-638 — Pistol Specs, Info, Photos, CCW and Concealed Carry Factors™, Firepower, Concealalability, Reviews, and User Comments — WhichGun.com
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Here in the United States, many Conservative women carry guns and defend themselves. Is that OK with you?

    Sorry, I don't see women walking around with assault weapons to defend themselves. You must live in a different neighborhood than I do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    That has no relationship to the discussion. The problem is illegally obtained and owned weapons. It doesn't matter what the law-abiding own. I could own a full auto machine gun, and you would not be in any more danger than you are right now, nor would anyone else. I'm not criminally-minded.
    I'm not sure the criminal is who we have to worry about. The mentally ill and stupid seem far more dangerous to me. Just saying. . . .

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Oh, show me what rich country has now surpassed numbers of gun homicides in the US?
    Not that I expect you to really get any use from this study, but it's a good look at the realtionship between gun ownership and violence in countries around the world. It's lengthy (40+ pages), but I'll include a few excerpts.

    International evidence and comparisons have long been offered
    as proof of the mantra that more guns mean more deaths and that
    fewer guns, therefore, mean fewer deaths.1 Unfortunately, such
    discussions are all too often been afflicted by misconceptions and
    factual error and focus on comparisons that are unrepresentative.
    It may be useful to begin with a few examples. There is a compound
    assertion that (a) guns are uniquely available in the United
    States compared with other modern developed nations, which is
    why (b) the United States has by far the highest murder rate.
    Though these assertions have been endlessly repeated, statement
    (b) is, in fact, false and statement (a) is substantially so.
    While American gun ownership is quite high, Table 1 shows many other
    developed nations (e.g., Norway, Finland, Germany, France,
    Denmark) with high rates of gun ownership. These countries,
    however, have murder rates as low or lower than many developed
    nations in which gun ownership is much rarer. For example,
    Luxembourg, where handguns are totally banned and ownership
    of any kind of gun is minimal, had a murder rate nine times
    higher than Germany in 2002.9
    The same pattern appears when comparisons of violence to
    gun ownership are made within nations. Indeed, “data on firearms
    ownership by constabulary area in England,” like data
    from the United States, show “a negative correlation,”10 that is,
    “where firearms are most dense violent crime rates are lowest,
    and where guns are least dense violent crime rates are highest.”
    11 Many different data sets from various kinds of sources
    are summarized as follows by the leading text:In this connection, two recent studies are pertinent. In 2004,
    the U.S. National Academy of Sciences released its evaluation
    from a review of 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government
    publications, and some original empirical research. It failed to
    identify any gun control that had reduced violent crime, suicide,
    or gun accidents.15 The same conclusion was reached in
    2003 by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control’s review of thenextant
    studies.16
    http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/...useronline.pdf
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm not sure the criminal is who we have to worry about. The mentally ill and stupid seem far more dangerous to me. Just saying. . . .
    If you live in an urban inner-city area, criminals are who you should worry about.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Delighted to hear that!
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    I want a "(Gun) Safe Stimulus Package"
    That's right, change tax code to allow a 100% write off of your gun safe, and any gun safety course.
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