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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    You can't "work on the guns" effectively, because it's not lawful gunowners who are causing the problems. If anything, we need more sober-minded upstanding citizens to be carrying.
    Lizzie, do you not find it compelling that NO other industrialized nation has the problem with guns, that America has?

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Nor have you made your point that high numbers of guns result in more mass murders, and that there is a direct causal relationship. If higher numbers of guns equaled more gun homocides, then homocide rates at gun shows would be phenomenal. It's not the presence of guns, but the culture and psychological makeup of the individual.
    My point was what the facts show, the more guns per capita, the more homicides with guns per capita. Which disproves the NRA theory that more guns equals less gun deaths. And the numbers are phenomenal! They are higher here than any other wealthy country in the world.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Try looking up the term per capita. We have more gun homicides per capita than do other rich countries with less guns.
    Yet what B-slaps your silly arguments is that our rates are GOING down while the number of privately owned guns and carry licenses GO UP and other countries homicide rates are GOING UP as they restrict guns more and more

    lets cut the crap Catawba. Public safety is not what motivates your anti (conservative) gun owner posts. If you really believed in public safety you would be calling for the end of gun free zones and you would advocate more carry permits. Your goal is to punish people for not buying into your far left welfare socialist agenda

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    5 cases against 62 does not make A case, and those five only met one of the criteria used in the Mother Earth study.

    "There is no evidence indicating that arming Americans further will help prevent mass shootings or reduce the carnage, says Dr. Stephen Hargarten, a leading expert on emergency medicine and gun violence at the Medical College of Wisconsin. To the contrary, there appears to be a relationship between the proliferation of firearms and a rise in mass shootings: By our count, there have been two per year on average since 1982. Yet 25 of the 62 cases we examined have occurred since 2006. This year alone there have already been seven mass shootings—and a record number of casualties, with more than 140 people injured and killed.

    Armed civilians attempting to intervene are actually more likely to increase the bloodshed, says Hargarten, "given that civilian shooters are less likely to hit their targets than police in these circumstances." A chaotic scene in August at the Empire State Building put this starkly into perspective when New York City police officers confronting a gunman wounded nine innocent bystanders."

    More Guns, More Mass Shootings
    that stupid study was destroyed last night because mass shootings where the shooter was slain before he could kill lots of people WERE NOT COUNTED. and the JUSTICE DEPT concluded non LEO civilians are actually less likely to miss than CIVILIAN LEOs!

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    Lizzie, do you not find it compelling that NO other industrialized nation has the problem with guns, that America has?

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    No, I don't find it compelling, as other industrialized nations don't have the same diversity and cultural differences that we have. Over 80% of gun-related violence is committed with illegally owned/obtained weapons. It's not the legal gun owner who is causing the problem.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Yet what B-slaps your silly arguments is that our rates are GOING down while the number of privately owned guns and carry licenses GO UP and other countries homicide rates are GOING UP as they restrict guns more and more
    Oh, show me what rich country has now surpassed numbers of gun homicides in the US?
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    My point was what the facts show, the more guns per capita, the more homicides with guns per capita. Which disproves the NRA theory that more guns equals less gun deaths. And the numbers are phenomenal! They are higher here than any other wealthy country in the world.
    You are still missing the point regarding who is committing crime, and with legal weapons vs illegally obtained ones. Restricting gun ownership will serve to disarm law-abiding citizens, and play into a huge advantage for criminals- something which I am wholly opposed to doing.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that stupid study was destroyed last night because mass shootings where the shooter was slain before he could kill lots of people WERE NOT COUNTED. and the JUSTICE DEPT concluded non LEO civilians are actually less likely to miss than CIVILIAN LEOs!
    Let's see how your numbers compare to the 30,000 deaths each year resulting from gunshots?
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Oh, show me what rich country has now surpassed numbers of gun homicides in the US?
    Why do you dishonestly fixate on that? Russia is a rich country and so is South Africa

    the issue is that in other countries-gun bans increase as does crime

    so your wet dream for a jihad against my rights only makes us less safe

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Let's see how your numbers compare to the 30,000 deaths each year resulting from gunshots?
    MORE LIES-the number of illegal homicides involving guns is about 10,000. SUICIDES are not at issue nor are justifiable shootings

    stop the dishonesty

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