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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Even if true, we have far too many homocides.
    And with this situation we must take action....
    The conservatives, true to form, wish to do nothing, other than making things worse by arming teachers....what next....everybody ???
    How exactly would another law stop something that is already illegal? Even if you hypothetically were able to take every gun from every citizen, there would still be murder. There's plenty of sharp objects and heavy blunt objects to do the job. Hell, you could kill someone with your bare hands. Should we cut everybody's hands off?

    Directly to the recent shooting at Sandy Hook, he definitely didn't need a gun to carry that out. Look at the people he killed. They were weak and defenseless. He could have done the same with a knife or a baseball bat, it just would've taken longer.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Even if true, we have far too many homocides.
    And with this situation we must take action....
    The conservatives, true to form, wish to do nothing, other than making things worse by arming teachers....what next....everybody ???
    Do they wish to do nothing? Other than not wanting to restrict peoples right to bear arms, do you have any proof that they want to do nothing?

    Do you have evidence that restricting gun rights even has a positive affect? Historical evidence seems to point to the possibility that it has a great negative affect. Do you have any proof that stricter enforcement of existing laws, which has repeatedly been brought up in the past as alternatives to bans, would not have a greater affect than a new ban?

    Catawa argues rates in other countries. Ok, they have differing rates. Have they ever had the prevalence of gun ownership that is historical to the US? Even if banning particular guns could be proven to have an affect, the ban is only new sales, what affect is it going to have on the millions of guns already in existence and in the hands of individuals? Do we even know if such a ban would even hold up to scrutiny in the Supreme Court?

    I must admit, with all this talk of bans, Obama and the Dems have stimulated at least part of our economy. Wish I owned stock in a gun manufacturer or owned a gun shop. Heck, gun sales is the one part of our economy where American Manufactures still has a strong presence and is booming instead of barely crawling by.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    The point was that the likelihood of *mass* killings is mitigated by an armed citizen taking action.

    As for the quoted author's premise, he is assuming that larger numbers of guns have a causal correlation to rising mass shootings, and there is no evidence of that. Correlation does not equal causation.
    You have not made that point, and neither have you explained away the facts that countries with more gun have more homicides with guns.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You have not made that point, and neither have you explained away the facts that countries with more gun have more homicides with guns.
    And if we had more swords and grenades we would have more homicides with swords and grenades. You should crusade against automobile accidents, misdiagnosis, drunken accidents leading to death, and malpractice. There are more deaths down those avenues.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    And if we had more swords and grenades we would have more homicides with swords and grenades. You should crusade against automobile accidents, misdiagnosis, drunken accidents leading to death, and malpractice. There are more deaths down those avenues.
    Swords take a little more back bone to kill 20 people than does a lightweight semi-automatic, with a large capacity magazine so you don't have to stop to reload. And you know, I just don't hear of that many mass killings in the US with grenades.

    Autos are needed to get to work, assault weapons and high capacity mags are not.
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    Re: Gun Control

    What the loons are trying to achieve is the "Coolness" of being against guns. That's how their messiah got the stupid college votes, Obama's cool, anybody that looks like their parents is horrible and to be hated.

    The loons want Americans to be OH so terribly afraid of those evil guns, they make such loud noises and they're heavy and only mean people have them. Sob, sob, sob. The loons want us to be a country of airheads that dress up to go see Harry Potter or Batman movies and worship homosexuality. We're all just little children really, please take care of us. Look how quickly, just a few short years, Hollywood went from John Wayne, Lee Marvin, Robert Mitchum to Brokeback Mountain. That is liberal America.

    It's pleasant to note that on this thread poll, which is valid as far as this thread goes on a liberal forum, the "No Restrictions" are already twice beyond the margin by which Obama was elected.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Swords take a little more back bone to kill 20 people than does a lightweight semi-automatic, with a large capacity magazine so you don't have to stop to reload. And you know, I just don't hear of that many mass killings in the US with grenades.

    Autos are needed to get to work, assault weapons and high capacity mags are not.
    You never have to reload a sword. And I dunno about the whole "backbone" thingy. Murder is murder.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    You never have to reload a sword. And I dunno about the whole "backbone" thingy. Murder is murder.
    Please share with us the numbers of sword deaths in other rich nations that compare to our gun deaths.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    True, we do have cultural problems and with this in mind, we must have more gun control...It is so obvious to me anyway...
    Now, if we did not have cultural probs, and we had no mass murders, then, of course, we would not have to work on the guns..
    I suspect that we have people who would work on cultural probs...
    But, how ?????
    You can't "work on the guns" effectively, because it's not lawful gunowners who are causing the problems. If anything, we need more sober-minded upstanding citizens to be carrying.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You have not made that point, and neither have you explained away the facts that countries with more gun have more homicides with guns.
    Nor have you made your point that high numbers of guns result in more mass murders, and that there is a direct causal relationship. If higher numbers of guns equaled more gun homocides, then homocide rates at gun shows would be phenomenal. It's not the presence of guns, but the culture and psychological makeup of the individual.
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