We are talking about reducing massacres of innocent people. In order to believe that banning guns that accept high capacity magazines would have no effect on reducing the massacres, one would have to ignore that the guns available in the US that accept high capacity magazines are the guns of choice for those carrying out massacres in both the US and Mexico.
Well duh. If they weren't stupid enough to use a gun, then they probably wouldn't of been stupid enough to carry out a massacre.
You are using the gun and magazine capacity to say that the attempt or completion of a massacre wouldn't or couldn't occur. Really?
So at around the same time, a nutjob in China didn't attempt something similar with a knife? I think that example alone pretty much disproves any train of thought that guns cause the problem.
We know that you cannot take guns away. Even if you stopped selling them today, there are still millions in existence. Even high capacity clips, if you banned the sale of them today, all the ones currently out there still exist. Can you confiscate them, no, for one thing, if you try, they will be hidden, for another the Constitution protects against the passing of Ex Post Facto laws.
Even with very strict gun laws, do you actually believe someone attempting or plotting to commit a crime is going to care about a gun law. Tell me, how many shootings are carried out with handguns and gang-bangers under 21? Or with other guns when they are under 18? You can reduce the theft and illegal sales of guns, but you cannot eliminate it.
Since ridding our society of guns is pretty much an impossibility, we need to focus on workable solutions, not someone's fantasy.
What has shown to work? Refer back to one of my previous post, the one with the chart. Check out the murder rates when pretty much every adult male was required to own a gun and the murder rate after. You probably don't like the idea and would never support it, but history does show us that by arming pretty much everyone, murder rates were very low. We have an historical example of something that is proven to work. I admit, that I would still support not letting confirmed mental cases and felons have guns.
We cannot get rid of guns, so we have to learn to live with them. Other than "lets get rid of them all", do you know of any other way to get control of gun violence, other than what I said above, that is proven or at least logical and doable that can, if not end, then at least reduce this trend of violence to the point that existed in 1900?