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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I'll give you an opportunity to prove your claim. Show me evidence of how many of the 67 mass shootings in the last 30 years where the shooter was taken out by civilian using a gun?
    In a related Weekly Standard article, as a commentary on the MJ article:
    (point being- if there's an armed civilian, it's not nearly as likely to be a mass shooting)




    There are a couple of major problems here with arguing that armed civilians don't stop mass shootings. One is that when armed civilians are present, they often stop mass shootings before they can become mass shootings. One of the criteria Mother Jones used to define mass shootings is that "the shooter took the lives of at least four people." So then, consider the followingMayan Palace Theater, San Antonio, Texas, this week: Jesus Manuel Garcia shoots at a movie theater, a police car and bystanders from the nearby China Garden restaurant; as he enters the movie theater, guns blazing, an armed off-duty cop shoots Garcia four times, stopping the attack. Total dead: Zero.

    – Winnemucca, Nev., 2008: Ernesto Villagomez opens fire in a crowded restaurant; concealed carry permit-holder shoots him dead. Total dead: Two. (I’m excluding the shooters’ deaths in these examples.)

    – Appalachian School of Law, 2002: Crazed immigrant shoots the dean and a professor, then begins shooting students; as he goes for more ammunition, two armed students point their guns at him, allowing a third to tackle him. Total dead: Three.

    – Santee, Calif., 2001: Student begins shooting his classmates — as well as the “trained campus supervisor”; an off-duty cop who happened to be bringing his daughter to school that day points his gun at the shooter, holding him until more police arrive. Total dead: Two.

    – Pearl High School, Mississippi, 1997: After shooting several people at his high school, student heads for the junior high school; assistant principal Joel Myrick retrieves a .45 pistol from his car and points it at the gunman’s head, ending the murder spree. Total dead: Two.

    – Edinboro, Pa., 1998: A student shoots up a junior high school dance being held at a restaurant; restaurant owner pulls out his shotgun and stops the gunman. Total dead: One.
    These are just a few examples of mass shootings being prevented. I'm sure there are many more that meet this criteria. But, as you can see, in every incident, the would-be shooters were stopped short of killing four people because an armed civilian—or in some cases, an off duty cop—was present.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I'll give you an opportunity to prove your claim. Show me evidence of how many of the 67 mass shootings in the last 30 years where the shooter was taken out by civilian using a gun?
    Generally the cops get there first and take over... next.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So you Mother Earth had it right, thanks for your admission that you were wrong about any of the shooters being taken out by a civilian with a gun. Now you want to make another claim you have no evidence of? How about you post your evidence and then we'll take a look at it?
    your dishonest interpretations of other people's posts are well known

    but your claim is both irrelevant and stupid.

    killers target areas where gun possession is banned

    they don't target areas where people are packing guns

    that proves our point far more than you can understand

    guns possessed by law abiding citizens deter crime

    that is why almost every mass shooting of record was in gun free zones

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    In a related Weekly Standard article, as a commentary on the MJ article:
    (point being- if there's an armed civilian, it's not nearly as likely to be a mass shooting)
    Well done...
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    In a related Weekly Standard article, as a commentary on the MJ article:
    (point being- if there's an armed civilian, it's not nearly as likely to be a mass shooting)
    HOLY FACT SLAP BATMAN!!

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    Re: Gun Control

    someone just got PWNED big time!!

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    More Guns, More Mass Shootings—Coincidence?
    "America now has 300 million firearms, a barrage of NRA-backed gun laws—and record casualties from mass killers."

    "In the wake of the slaughters this summer at a Colorado movie theater and a Sikh temple in Wisconsin, we set out to track mass shootings in the United States over the last 30 years. We identified and analyzed 62 of them, and one striking pattern in the data is this: In not a single case was the killing stopped by a civilian using a gun. Moreover, we found that the rate of mass shootings has increased in recent years—at a time when America has been flooded with millions of additional firearms and a barrage of new laws has made it easier than ever to carry them in public. And in other recent rampages in which armed civilians attempted to intervene, they not only failed to stop the shooter but also were gravely wounded or killed."

    More Guns, More Mass Shootings
    Stop school shootings by letting teachers fire back, say Texas officials | Fox News

    Want to bet no one tries a mass shooting at that school?

    I see you still haven't answered my question about other means of preventing the attacks, you just keep going with the same old, same old, get rid of guns fantasy. Getting rid of guns in American society is impossible at this time and probably will be for a long time to come.

    You could come up with 10 million arguments, but it doesn't change the facts.

    1. Currently, gun ownership is a protected right defined by the constitution and a new amendment any time soon is not likely to pass
    2. Millions of people own guns, like owning guns and will refuse to give them up
    3. More gun ownership and unrestricted right to self defense and defense of others is the only thing that history shows us will significantly lower murder rates and by association, probably other violent crimes.
    4. The founding fathers envisioned the militia, by their own laws when they had control, meaning all adult males were the reserve and the final line of defense. Other than dropping the militia requirement, all other factors still apply. And they did not envision that final line to be armed with anything less than the first line was, the final line only had to pay for it themselves instead of it being issued. And all American legal gun owners are still an unofficial militia.

    Guns are here, they are going to be here and they are not going away, so go ahead and focus on an unobtainable fantasy, or start using you brain to come up with workable solutions.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    someone just got PWNED big time!!
    Who?

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    I have pooped in public, even in public neighborhoods.
    Quote Originally Posted by OldFatGuy View Post
    Usually a gag for wise mouthed insulting little girls. Then some good nylon rope so I can tie them up, toss them in the trunk of my car and forget about them.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
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    you didn't see Lizzie school Catawba who posted that idiocy from some far left loon site

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you didn't see Lizzie school Catawba who posted that idiocy from some far left loon site
    When?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have pooped in public, even in public neighborhoods.
    Quote Originally Posted by OldFatGuy View Post
    Usually a gag for wise mouthed insulting little girls. Then some good nylon rope so I can tie them up, toss them in the trunk of my car and forget about them.

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