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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    I have always been against guns, not to the extent of repealing the 2nd amendment, but to limiting it. Times have clearly changed , they did not have assault rifles back then. It was common for people to have guns because we relied on militias.
    True, they did not. However, until 1903, every adult male was considered to be part of the militia. The standing military was first line of defense, the militia (all adult male citizens) were the reserve and home guard. All adult male citizens were part of the military, just not active or standing, and were required to have personal weapons to fulfill a military role.

    Because their intent was for all adult male citizens to be part of the military and fulfill a roll in the nations defense, then had there been assault rifles, they would not of banned them, they would of encouraged ownership of them. What good is a militiaman if he doesn't have military style/grade weapons?
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Everybody dies. Do they have their liberty taken away if they die by natural causes? Seems absurd.
    I believe the 26 people in Connecticut including 20 first graders did not "die by natural causes".
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "insure domestic Tranquility"
    Others have pointed out one fallacy of this.

    What proof do you have that restrictive gun laws "insure domestic Tranquility?

    Evidence from before 1903 and after, would suggest that restrictive gun laws can have just the opposite affect. I'm am not referring to just the 1903 law, but the entire history. Social factors seem to have a much larger affect upon "domestic tranquility" than gun laws.

    And how much "domestic tranquility" are you going to have when gun owners start defending their right to own guns when the government tries to take them away?
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Gun Incidents -

    Welcome to gun free England...

    Just a taste...
    NOVEMBER 2012



    Click Liverpool, 26 November 2012

    A 31-year-old man has died after he was shot at least five times as he sat in his car outside his home in Wavertree, Merseyside. He was believed to have been attacked by two men who were waiting outside the property in a stolen car that was later abandoned and set alight. The victim was taken to hospital after being shot in the head, chest and arms but died from his wounds seven days later.

    Nottingham Post, 20 November 2012

    A man has died after he was shot with a firearm in Bilborough, Nottingham. He was found collapsed on the road by a local resident and taken to hospital by ambulance, but later died from his injuries. A 32-year-old man has been arrested in connection with the death.

    Eastern Daily Press, 11 November 2012

    A 60-year-old man has died from a gunshot wound to the head outside a hotel in Titchwell, Norfolk. Emergency services were called after the man was seen walking into the car park with a firearm, but were unable to resuscitate the victim.

    BBC News, 5 November 2012

    A male police officer has died in a firearms incident at a police station in Glasgow, Strathclyde. No one else is believed to have been involved in the shooting. Officers from another police force have begun an investigation into the circumstances of his death.

    OCTOBER 2012



    The Star, 26 October 2012

    A 42-year-old man who was shot in the chest in the doorway of his home in Wath-upon-Dearne, South Yorkshire in September (see September incidents) has died in hospital. Two men have been arrested in connection with the murder, which police believe was a targeted attack.

    Liverpool Echo, 19 October 2012

    A 54-year-old man has died after he was shot in the head at a house Huyton, Merseyside. Officers who were called to the scene recovered two handguns and an alleged quantity of drugs at the property but made no arrests. An inquest into the death was begun and has been adjourned.

    SEPTEMBER 2012



    Daily Mail, 20 September 2012

    Two female police officers, aged 23 and 32, were killed while working in Hattersley, Greater Manchester. The unarmed officers were allegedly tricked into going to the property by false reports of a burglary where they were met with a gunfire and grenade attack. A 50k-volt taser was recovered from the scene which the victims may have attempted to discharge to stop the attack. A man who had been wanted for two previous shooting murders of a father and son and 4 attempted murders (see August Incidents), presented himself for arrest at a police station in the city soon after the incident. A 15-year-old boy was later arrested at a school in the area on suspicion of assisting in the attack but has been released on bail (Metro, 22 September 2012).

    Southend Standard, 7 September 2012

    A mother and son have been found shot dead at the woman's home in Crays Hill, Essex. The son is thought to have been battling a heroin addiction and police are not looking for anyone else in connection with the shooting. An unlicensed gun was recovered from the property.




    If you would have listed a few more, you would have included all the homicides in the England in 2012. The US has about 100 times as many homicides by guns each year.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If you would have listed a few more, you would have included all the homicides in the England in 2012. The US has about 100 times as many homicides by guns each year.
    Actually...the weblink does. I posted a snippet. Try again.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    And how much "domestic tranquility" are you going to have when gun owners start defending their right to own guns when the government tries to take them away?
    You mean like the civil war that broke out the last time assault weapons were banned? :-)
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Actually...the weblink does. I posted a snippet. Try again.

    The web link does what, shows that England has a fraction of the homicides by guns per year compared to the US?
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You mean like the civil war that broke out the last time assault weapons were banned? :-)
    "Assault weapons" have never been baned. The sale of imported assault style "weapons" were baned. Plenty of Domestic produced ones were still on the market. Also, here you are mentioning only one type of gun, but your previous posts leads one to believe that you are seeking the ban of all guns.

    How many of the "massacres" have been carried out with only "assault" style weapons?

    A ban on "assault" style "weapons" may lead to violence, even revolution, depending on what is labeled as "assault weapons".

    Also you cannot ban assault weapons. As I have pointed out before, only a human mind can be a weapon, everything else is inanimate tools used by that weapon.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The web link does what, shows that England has a fraction of the homicides by guns per year compared to the US?
    Shows that even with 'bans' you can never be 'safe', and that even on an island, people find a way to access weapons and kill people.

    Oh...wait...I REMEMBER now...You LIKE shotguns...
    The Cumbria shootings was a killing spree that occurred on 2 June 2010 when a lone gunman, Derrick Bird, killed 12 people and injured 11 others before killing himself in Cumbria, England. Along with the 1987 Hungerford massacre and the 1996 Dunblane massacre, it is one of the worst criminal acts involving firearms in British history.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The web link does what, shows that England has a fraction of the homicides by guns per year compared to the US?
    That is still a lot for a "gunless" society.

    Yes, Americans use more guns in attacks, do you have any evidence that there is a lower rate of violent attacks?

    How many of those Homicides occurred against unarmed victims and victims in areas where carrying defensive weapons were not allowed?

    Other than banning gun ownership, which you have been shown many times is not a possibility, do you have any other method of reducing violent crime in America? You have also been shown, that broader availability/ownership and unrestricted carry has indeed resulted in low murder rates. You continue to reject the proven method but instead focus upon an impossible method. Where is an alternative?
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