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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Again: Requiring gun owners to be members (in good standing) of militias, e.g. State Militias, should be necessary.
    I have some very good news for you, then:
    USC › Title 10 › Subtitle A › Part I › Chapter 13 › § 311

    (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
    (b) The classes of the militia are
    (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
    (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
    We're already part of the unorganized militia. This is how we can be drafted, because we're already affiliated with the military by default...the state can just 'call us up'. They're not enslaving a free man, they're activating a militiaman. The very purpose of the Selective Service is to record exactly who is in the unorganized militia should they need to be activated.

    I've long been of the opinion that a 2-year term or service should be mandatory for everyone upon turning 18, because when you turn 18 you become part of the militia whether you like it or not. This is forced on you like taxes, so IMO just roll with it, use it to your advantage. Even if you choose not to continue to serve in the military, you are still in the militia and so you should have some base-level training to accompany it. You could be summarily deputized during a natural disaster before relief comes. You could be part of a neighborhood watch, etc. These civil duties would be greatly served by basic military training.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Do you have to spam the same post in every single topic about guns?
    Here we had to link to this law yeat again. We have to keep repeating ourselves, so rather than write it out manually over and over and over, a lot of us just save it to a word doc.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    I want a "(Gun) Safe Stimulus Package"
    I want my OBAMA'SAFE!!!

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I want my OBAMA'SAFE!!!
    Yeah, my BushSafe keeps having these planes crash in to it.
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    Re: Gun Control

    What a badly worded poll. Of course I would not restrict guns if those guns had the potential to save lives. Somehow, I think you meant the opposite.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yes. I respect the right to own guns, and i own several but i do believe our control needs to be a little bit more strict.
    In what way? That's kind of the problem with 'gun control'...people offer the notion but cant identify substance and when the fallacies surface they retreat to "well...we just need more gun control". Hell...we could eliminate drunk driving if we disabled every car in America.

    Now...enforcement of existing laws? That's a winner. Mandatory minimums for crimes using a firearm? You bet. While we rush to react to school shootings we ignore that more people died in Chicago this year than died in all of Iraq after the troop withdrawal (as of 30 Oct it was 432 to 424 if I recall correctly). So if we REALLY care about gun deaths, we should absolutely start where they are really happening, right?

    I do believe people should be responsible and even liable for their unsecured firearms should they ever be used in a shooting.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think every gun someone owns should be registered.
    How do explain South Dakota's much lower crime rate to IL, given that we don't' register our guns? How would registration have made a difference in the recent shootings?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think background checks should be done a minimum of once a year.
    One of the reasons the Utah CCW is so widely reciprocated, and thus in high demand, to include myself, is because Utah runs every single permit holder's background every month for the entire life of the permit. In light of that, I think your once per-year rule is quite lax.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't think our government is going to come around collecting our guns for the hell of it and am not afraid our government is going to suddenly go bananas. If it did? Our little piddly arsenals would mean nothing anyway.
    If you don't think a civilian militia can bog down a modern army, please explain why we're still in Afghanistan.

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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Would you support more restrictions on guns if they had the potential to save lives?
    It's a stupid question.

    You might as well ask, “Would you be in favor of requiring pigs to be painted green if doing so had the potential to save lives.” In fact, that would be a slightly less-stupid question.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Illinois has, probably, the most Draconian gun laws in the nation. Still, I could easily support doing better. (I sure as hell hope we get concealed carry, so that's not what I'm talking about.)

    I just renewed my FOID card. They'll do a background check and issue a new license...I'll be good to go for ten years. Ten years! No. I think every gun someone owns should be registered. I think background checks should be done a minimum of once a year.

    If you've had a permanent restraining order placed on you? You should immediately lose your FOID. If you've been jailed for a violent offense? Immediate suspension. I could think of a whole list of things that should infringe upon your right to own and/or carry a firearm. Conviction of road rage would be another example.

    I don't think our government is going to come around collecting our guns for the hell of it and am not afraid our government is going to suddenly go bananas. If it did? Our little piddly arsenals would mean nothing anyway.
    Of course, the most significant reason why ****holes like Chicago exist is because there are high concentrations of fools who have as much trust in government as you do.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    First you'd have to convince me that gun control actually has the potential to reduce violence in the USA. I do not believe this is the case. There is no evidence that any existing gun control legislation has had any siginficant impact on violent crime.
    I have to disagree.

    I think that the evidence is very clear that gun control laws, in general increase the danger of violent crime, by insuring that potential victims are defenseless against armed criminals.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I pretty much agree with this. The problem isn't guns. The problem is mental illness.
    The problem is evil people, who are willing to cause great harm to others.
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