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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    But once you take away the guns and the knives and the bomb-making chemicals in everyone's homes and cars, etc., you're still left with the PEOPLE! Why not stop worrying about all the things that can cause damage and deal with the actual problem?
    That's what gun laws ought to do...keep people who shouldn't own guns from owning guns.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That's what gun laws ought to do...keep people who shouldn't own guns from owning guns.
    What about people who steal guns or get them through the black market? What about people who read on the Internet how to make bombs out of common household chemicals? When do we stop trying to put a bandage on the problem and just deal with the problem?
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    No. I don't care about the element of utility when condemning sacrificing liberty for security. Liberty is a priority.

    Now, some folks are more utilitarian, so it doesn't hurt to be able to speak their language, and it helps in this case to note that there is no such utility, no upside to restrictive gun policies, they just render law abiding citizens helpless.
    Just wondering, do you think that those 26 people who died in CT had their liberties taken away? Liberty is a priority, everybody should have the liberty to live, those 26 didn't? Thoughts on that?
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    What about people who steal guns or get them through the black market? What about people who read on the Internet how to make bombs out of common household chemicals? When do we stop trying to put a bandage on the problem and just deal with the problem?
    Sometimes solving problems requires a many-pronged approach. Illegal access is one. Mental health services accessibility is another. Keeping weapons secure is another. Stricter punishment for committing a crime with an illegal gun is another. Stricter punishment for being in possession of an illegal firearm is another. The list is pretty long.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Just wondering, do you think that those 26 people who died in CT had their liberties taken away? Liberty is a priority, everybody should have the liberty to live, those 26 didn't? Thoughts on that?
    Everybody dies. Do they have their liberty taken away if they die by natural causes? Seems absurd.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Sometimes solving problems requires a many-pronged approach. Illegal access is one. Mental health services accessibility is another. Keeping weapons secure is another. Stricter punishment for committing a crime with an illegal gun is another. Stricter punishment for being in possession of an illegal firearm is another. The list is pretty long.
    How about the fact that we're routinely medicating people with drugs that are causing many of these problems in the first place?
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
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    It absolutely is not the Supreme Court's place to decide that part of the Constitution is outdated, and no longer needs to be fully obeyed. The only legitimate way for this determination to be made and put into effect is by ratifying a new amendment to the Constitution, to supersede that which is deemed to be outdated.
    But you're missing the whole point. In many of these cases, the Supreme Court is basically inventing new application out of whole cloth because what came before simply does not apply in any way, shape or form to new technologies, new ideas, etc. It's not a matter of deciding what the founding fathers intended, they didn't intend anything, they couldn't have imagined these things in their wildest dreams, it's just making up new ideas and trying to shoehorn them into the writings of people who died almost 250 years ago. I seriously doubt they intended their ideas to be the only driving force for the nation for centuries to come, nor could they have foreseen the kind of polarization that's come to pass that makes ratifying any new ideas into the Constitution basically impossible.
    Ratifying new amendments to the Constitution is certainly not impossible, if there's enough public support for such an amendment. That there isn't enough public support for an amendment is no excuse to disobey the Constitution as it presently stands. It is for very good reason that the Constitution was written with a provision to amend it, but that the process of doing so is long and difficult enough to prevent it from being used frivolously.

    I solidly disagree with your assertion that modern technology does not fit within the constraints of the Constitution, or that this provides any valid excuse for “inventing new application out of whole cloth” to promote public policy that the Constitution forbids, and for which sufficient public support cannot be raised to ratify an amendment to allow.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    How about the fact that we're routinely medicating people with drugs that are causing many of these problems in the first place?
    That, too. And the way the media reports these mass shootings as well. There's lots of things that contribute to these horrific incidents, in my opinion.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Everybody dies. Do they have their liberty taken away if they die by natural causes? Seems absurd.
    Does every 6 year old die of natural causes? They had their WHOLE life left. Who knows what could have became of them.
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    Re: Gun Control

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Does every 6 year old die of natural causes? They had their WHOLE life left. Who knows what could have became of them.
    What difference does it make? If a kid dies in a traffic accident that is no one's fault, did they have their liberty taken away? Stop trying to avoid the question and just answer it.
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